CapeXit 2

[NoStepOnSnek88]

It's not so much the entities mentioned (although there are conspiracy theorist cues there) as the statement that Albertans are "persecuted". To say that Canadians are genuinely persecuted shows a lack of connection to reality and sounds like many other secession fans and their weird way of experiencing life.

I haven't read much about the Alberta effort though, will try and do so.

Please don't tell me that you honestly thought that Trudeau was a good PM, and he had good policies, and had the interests of the citizens at heart etc etc.

Have you considered that they feel "persecuted" in the sense that the current government, the previous decade of leadership and government haven't had their best interests at heart.

Hostility because of their core values, traditions and what impact their lives.

It's the same as the ANC, they don't have our best interests at heart, they don't give two füĉķs about the citizens, crime, the economy etc etc the only thing that matters to them is being in power and having control, so that they can continue to enrich themselves...

 

[Grant]

Why censor me then?

Too many digital trees being harmed?

I don't see anyone censoring Brian_G..... his chatGPT posts are far longer than mine, and are by definition bot posts.

You guys think we can't see the anti-social antics.

We can.

what's with the anger toward @Brian_G ?
he stated he never reported your posts - as i think a few others have also made clear.
i most certainly did not - i have a preference for open ground combat.
maybe it was on of the mods who simply took a decision without any prompting or reports - i really have no idea.

what i do find a little peculiar is BG is probably your biggest supporter, often your defender, and champion of your cause - and yet you choose your running mate as your target.

ps: who is the "we" you are referring to ?

 

[vigras rojara]

Please don't tell me that you honestly thought that Trudeau was a good PM, and he had good policies, and had the interests of the citizens at heart etc etc.

Have you considered that they feel "persecuted" in the sense that the current government, the previous decade of leadership and government haven't had their best interests at heart.

Hostility because of their core values, traditions and what impact their lives.

It's the same as the ANC, they don't have our best interests at heart, they don't give two füĉķs about the citizens, crime, the economy etc etc the only thing that matters to them is being in power and having control, so that they can continue to enrich themselves...

No issues with that. But then they should say that they don't believe that the current government is acting in their best interests.

Instead they claim that they're being "persecuted" (lolzers) by the government, Europe, China, blah blah. That's when I lob them in the loony basket. Like most secessionists, they're their own worst enemies, it seems.

 

[quovadis]

Sure, but I think there will be a lot of DA members/politicians that would see an "opportunity" to start a new party, gtoup, organisation etc etc in the new "Country" and will drop the DA like a hot potato, as many other politicians will also do...

What would be the point? There'll be more than enough positions since much of the DA upper echelon have parliamentary seats.

Edit: *ZA parliamentary seats.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

No issues with that. But then they should say that they don't believe that the current government is acting in their best interests.

Instead they claim that they're being "persecuted" (lolzers) by the government, Europe, China, blah blah. That's when I lob them in the loony basket. Like most secessionists, they're there own worst enemies, it seems.

It's interesting that just skipped over the Trudeau question...

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

What would be the point? There'll be more than enough positions since much of the DA upper echelon have parliamentary seats.

Not sure what part you are referring to.

Because it will be an opportunity for some individual politicians to be the big chief now of their own newly created party in the new "Country"...

 

[vigras rojara]

It's interesting that just skipped over the Trudeau question...

I didn't. I said they would could make a legitimate claim that government wasn't acting in their best interests. Trudeau = government.

Their claim about "persecution" by all and sundry is ridiculous and goes straight into here, though:

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

I didn't. I said they would could make a legitimate claim that government wasn't acting in their best interests. Trudeau = government.

Their claim about "persecution" by all and sundry is ridiculous and goes straight into here, though:

Just keep in mind, that's your perspective, you haven't lived a day in their shoes, nor have you had an open mind and researched and listened to what they're actually trying to convey...

 

[Brian_G]

Lex, re the incoherency perception.

Despite the unearned mistrust etc., not posted as a stab... just what I think I'm seeing.

What you tackle is itself often complex concepts, hardly layman talk at all. You forget how long you've been researching it?
Maybe it's also over-sophisticated expression in trying to convey it effectively.
And you at times get distracted (usually mid-paragraph) and for too long.

When I've seen myself do (possibly?) similar, I've found I'm presuming too much understanding by others of what's in my own mind, and overlooking what isn't necessarily obvious. But there's also so much still left to say, so who's got time for that...
Trying too hard to share may be part of it.


If it seems you're being targeted - not really, on other days someone else will feel the same.
But you do push people, and (we) stick out more than most
You're welcome, but don't make a habit of it.

 

[quovadis]

Not sure what part you are referring to.

Because it will be an opportunity for some individual politicians to be the big chief now of their own newly created party in the new "Country"...

The "opportunity". Again, why? People vote for what they know.

 

[NoStepOnSnek88]

The "opportunity". Again, why? People vote for what they know.

We are not talking about the voter perspective side.
Besides this will be a "new Country" so the DA might be completely irrelevant to these citizens etc

 

[vigras rojara]

Just keep in mind, that's your perspective, you haven't lived a day in their shoes, nor have you had an open mind and researched and listened to what they're actually trying to convey...

Perhaps not. But I can confidently say that the good citizens of Alberta are not being persecuted by Europe.

So I'll stick with my nutter diagnosis.

 

[Brian_G]

what's with the anger toward @Brian_G ?
he stated he never reported your posts - as i think a few others have also made clear.

There was an incident 6 odd years ago - he and Bobbin were endlessly drowning out the first of these threads (which I think he thought he owned) , so I threatened to have things calmed by a Mod.... which I then did.... except the Mod decided, whatever the reasons, that it was time to then close such thread..
Boom!

Never been forgiven.
Like a monkey with a headache

Oh well


Not gonna comment about our friendly parallel efforts, that's more private.

 

[quovadis]

We are not talking about the voter perspective side.
Besides this will be a "new Country" so the DA might be completely irrelevant to these citizens etc

That's the point I'm making. Why would they be irrelevant? The referendum would be party-independent. Why would political parties splinter as a result? People would still vote DA or ANC or whoever just the cape structure versions...

 

[Brian_G]

Might as well post this whole short article, then.... who knows ;- )

Referendum Legislation Reaches Committee Stage, CIAG Provides Input​

The Electoral Commission Amendment Act, 2023 was drafted to allow provincial premiers to call referendums in the provinces in accordance with the powers assigned to them in the Constitution. The Bill was tabled in the last parliament by DA Deputy Speaker, Dr Annelie Lotriet, and has been revived in this parliament. This week, it was discussed by the Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs.

The Cape Independence Advocacy Group (CIAG) has written to the committee and formally requested to address it. (Link to letter here).

In its letter, the CIAG addressed a number of points including:

• the urgency of the matter, citing the ruling of the Constitutional Court in Wyngaard vs Premier of the Western Cape (CCT 139/23);
• public statements made by the Western Cape Premier, Alan Winde, that the absence of legislation was preventing him from exercising his constitutional powers;
• the need for the Bill to be amended to accommodate the right of cultural and language communities to self-determination as provided for in section 235;
• the need for the Bill to be amended to allow communities to instigate referendums to give effect to section 235.

Referendums are a part of our constitutional framework, a critical component of functional democracy, and essential to the exercising of the inalienable and unquestionable right of all people to self-determination.

Whilst the CIAG believe premiers can in fact call referendums under the current legislation, we urge parliament to amend and pass this legislation as a matter of urgency. When the Western Cape premier is citing the lack of legislation as the reason why he cannot call a referendum, our democracy is materially flawed.

‍DATE: 20 November 2025

 

[vigras rojara]

Might as well post this whole short article, then.... who knows ;- )

Referendum Legislation Reaches Committee Stage, CIAG Provides Input​

The Electoral Commission Amendment Act, 2023 was drafted to allow provincial premiers to call referendums in the provinces in accordance with the powers assigned to them in the Constitution. The Bill was tabled in the last parliament by DA Deputy Speaker, Dr Annelie Lotriet, and has been revived in this parliament. This week, it was discussed by the Portfolio Committee on Home Affairs.

The Cape Independence Advocacy Group (CIAG) has written to the committee and formally requested to address it. (Link to letter here).

In its letter, the CIAG addressed a number of points including:

• the urgency of the matter, citing the ruling of the Constitutional Court in Wyngaard vs Premier of the Western Cape (CCT 139/23);
• public statements made by the Western Cape Premier, Alan Winde, that the absence of legislation was preventing him from exercising his constitutional powers;
• the need for the Bill to be amended to accommodate the right of cultural and language communities to self-determination as provided for in section 235;
• the need for the Bill to be amended to allow communities to instigate referendums to give effect to section 235.

Referendums are a part of our constitutional framework, a critical component of functional democracy, and essential to the exercising of the inalienable and unquestionable right of all people to self-determination.

Whilst the CIAG believe premiers can in fact call referendums under the current legislation, we urge parliament to amend and pass this legislation as a matter of urgency. When the Western Cape premier is citing the lack of legislation as the reason why he cannot call a referendum, our democracy is materially flawed.

‍DATE: 20 November 2025

The reply will be that there isn't enough indicated support for independence to justify spending millions of taxpayer ZARs on the exercise.

Even if "less than communism".

 

[Brian_G]

The reply will be that there isn't enough indicated support for independence to justify spending millions of taxpayer ZARs on the exercise.

Even if "less than communism".

The right to be able to request it minus any red tape is still a fundamental right, but no doubt these lawyers will be ready for accusations like yours as well.

 

[Brian_G]

BTW @Grant , what I did learn back then is that it's best to deal with forum issues ourselves.

Which I've shared with him..
Trust is not easy for him.

This will happen again. I no longer give a rat's asss


Beam me up, Scottie

 

[vigras rojara]

The right to be able to request it minus any red tape is still a fundamental right, but no doubt these lawyers will be ready for accusations like yours as well.

I don't believe there's any implicit right to call a referendum on any topic anyone feels like backing.

I still believe it's massively presumptuous to expect the taxpayer to fund a referendum that very few people actually appear to give a damn about.

As stated many times, a private referendum is the way to go. If that carried, they'd have a mandate. But we all know it's better to spend other people's money.

 

[quovadis]

The Electoral Commission Amendment Act Bill, 2023 was drafted to allow provincial premiers to call referendums in the provinces in accordance with the powers assigned to them in the Constitution.