CapeXit 2

[Brian_G]

Can / will Phil press the accelerator pedal?

Probable answer: How long has it been, already?

I agree, there is an element of uncertainty.

And I would say it is created by the undemocratic response by the DA and the premier.

Any threatened politician would try do that. The problem is, there's no real backlash to mention.. that delivers a thousand words.

We know that polling at election times, for instance, has resulted in lost CI votes, that required court intervention to restore.

There are things in politics, which are unsavory. Most people reserve some level of circumspection due to this commonly held view.

C'mon man, there were like 100 votes made or something madly close to that.

Also, the polls show a drop in interest, so there is that, too.

Sure, AFTER the election.

But the attempted renewal of enthusiam for the Rainbow project via the GNU, is fast wearing off. It's just matter of time before the GNU missteps once too often, and/or complies with the dictates of the Epstein class... to the further disruption of the people on the sharp/bleeding end.

We will then again be in a number go up scenario. I suspect that is a main part of what the CIAG is waiting for.

The only mitigation I can see, is mitigation that none of you pinkos are willing to acknowledge.

 

[Brian_G]

Reason I remain here (mostly) is to bully Phil. There, I said it, he needs that

Hope you're hearing us Phil....
(And sorry to make you the #1 target, no choice)

 

[Brian_G]

Lexity regarding our solid statements about current CIM management

 

[lexity]

Can / will Phil press the accelerator pedal?

Probable answer: How long has it been, already?




Any threatened politician would try do that. The problem is, there's no real backlash to mention.. that delivers a thousand words.



C'mon man, there were like 100 votes made or something madly close to that.

On that occasion.

Donors usually back all sides, so as to retain ultimate control no matter which way the majority votes

The RP was an uncontrolled factor.

If the RP had attained its stated goal, it would have meant a major disruption to the donors:

a) investment in politicians,
b) future monopoly assurance, in markets

Very wealthy and influential people had a lot to lose from the RP vote. All they need is plausible deniability.

There must be a word for the tendency for an electorate to forget how they've been burned in the past for trusting politicians.

'Stockholm Syndrome,' perhaps?

Sure, AFTER the election.

Yes, after.

 

[lexity]

Lexity regarding our solid statements about current CIM management

Hey, hey, hey... are you putting me on the fence in response to me asking if you are on the fence?

 

[lexity]

Can / will Phil press the accelerator pedal?

Take that man off that pedestal.

 

[Brian_G]

Take that man off that pedestal.

And replace him with who?

 

[lexity]

@Brian_G

Phil Craig's strategy was uniquely insightful and creative.

He knew that DA voters showed up in spades when it came to the Victory poll.

And that the likely reason they keep voting DA is due to the alleged threat of smaller parties letting in the ANC to the WC.

So he wasn't wrong in devising an option which meant DA voters who wanted a referendum didn't have to risk being accused of letting the ANC in to the WC.

But I don't know... perhaps it was a bit too sophisticated for the average DA voter to see it, in practice.

I would have been one of them. I still don't understand how he planned to give the votes back to the DA. If there is a process to that. Does the party leader simply walk up to the DA leader and say hey, I took DA votes and still didn't reach my target, so here they are back..... that should ensure the ANC can no longer win in the WC this election.

?

If there was any doubt, in the DA voters minds, that might be one potential reason why they didn't bother to vote RP.

 

[lexity]

And replace him with who?

Mr Nobody.

A leader doesn't have to be put on a pedestal, before he can lead.

 

[Brian_G]

Nah, Lex. I hear you, but bottom line then must be WC-ians to blame themselves.

So, either way, only way to fix this is to fix the leader by kicking his butt.
Will that help? Who knows, but I see no other option currently.

Mr Nobody.

A leader doesn't have to be put on a pedestal, before he can lead.

That might work in a village...

 

[Brian_G]

Bye

 

[lexity]

Some evidence there are 2 interpretations of Democracy.

The one in which the rights of a minority can be voted away, is the one that leads to Socialism.

 

[Grant]

if ever there was a time for phil to make a move on atlantic seaboard - it is now.

da has previously reigned supreme, but over the last 2 yrs the natives have become increasingly disgruntled - every indication was a large migration to ff+.
however, the ff+ representative for the area paul jacobson, has very recently resigned from office, and with that a bit of a vacuum has been created.
those looking to migrate from da to camp jacobson, are in a bit of a state of flux.

now is the time to harvest the low hanging fruit !

 

[vigras rojara]

@Brian_G

Phil Craig's strategy was uniquely insightful and creative.

He knew that DA voters showed up in spades when it came to the Victory poll.

And that the likely reason they keep voting DA is due to the alleged threat of smaller parties letting in the ANC to the WC.

So he wasn't wrong in devising an option which meant DA voters who wanted a referendum didn't have to risk being accused of letting the ANC in to the WC.

But I don't know... perhaps it was a bit too sophisticated for the average DA voter to see it, in practice.

I would have been one of them. I still don't understand how he planned to give the votes back to the DA. If there is a process to that. Does the party leader simply walk up to the DA leader and say hey, I took DA votes and still didn't reach my target, so here they are back..... that should ensure the ANC can no longer win in the WC this election.

?

If there was any doubt, in the DA voters minds, that might be one potential reason why they didn't bother to vote RP.

But that's the thing - you're very interested in CI matters and even you aren't sure of exactly what he would have done, so it's not surprising that the electorate didn't look up from their knitting and pay attention.

 

[lexity]

But that's the thing - you're very interested in CI matters and even you aren't sure of exactly what he would have done, so it's not surprising that the electorate didn't look up from their knitting and pay attention.

I'm also on record as stating I'm not at all a political animal and have no appetite for following the ins and outs of the political machinations. At least not beyond the 100ft view.

My strength is to work from the moral imperative, upwards/outwards, and use logic to make the case, where many make unfounded assumptions about obstacles..

 

[lexity]

The NDR has been rolled out over the decades along the lines of Lennin's NEP.

('NEP' = Lennin's New Economic Policy (where the 'strategic tactical retreat' was outlined))

Further to this, as well as my statement earlier today that occasionally a member will say the quiet part out loud....

From the IRR report posted a few months ago:

That the ANC sees the GNU as an NEP equivalent is apparent from what Mmamoloko
Kubayi, then human settlements minister, wrote in the Sunday Times in August 2024
under the title “A strategic retreat by the ANC to advance its cause”. Here Kubayi
explained: “The [NEP] example demonstrate that entering a political coalition with
political opponents for a specific purpose is not anathema in carrying out a revolution.”314

In the words of constitutional jurist Koos Malan, Kubayi’s analysis shows the ANC is
using the GNU to “make a strategic retreat to enable future advances. It still aims
to destroy the DA and to bring the private sector and civil society to heel under its
totalitarian control”

 

[lexity]

Personally, I tend to think the threat posed by the DA to the ANC(as perceived by the IRR/FMF) flatters the DA.

The DA is full of cucks and pinkos, who's leadership have demonstrated their contempt for individual liberty.

That's evident in their duplicitous engagement with CIAG and others, on CI.

Knowing the ANC, they would welcome this cuckery, and outwardly try to make the DA out to be a formidable opponent.

 

[Grant]

always interesting to revisit old discussions.
from 2022:

PANEL MEMBERS•
Phil Craig | Cape Independence Advocacy Group• Benedicta Van Minnen | Democratic Alliance•
Dr Corne Mulder | Freedomfront Plus• Vytjie Mentor | ActionSA• Ebrahim Rasool | ANC

 

[lexity]

Rasool: referenda are attempts at 'short-cuts' to democratic outcomes

There we have it... Switzerland, you are a nation of short-cut takers.

 

[ToxicBunny]

always interesting to revisit old discussions.
from 2002:

PANEL MEMBERS•
Phil Craig | Cape Independence Advocacy Group• Benedicta Van Minnen | Democratic Alliance•
Dr Corne Mulder | Freedomfront Plus• Vytjie Mentor | ActionSA• Ebrahim Rasool | ANC

Phil has been grifting for nearly 25 years????