Capped versus uncapped ADSL

[GforceD]

“You have users in an uncapped space where some subscribers use between 10GB and 20GB while other subscribers consume 750GB. Why should it be that the 10GB and 20GB users are paying for the 750GB user to get the benefit? It is not a fair model,” said de Nobrega

Clearly this guy doesn't know his stuff, just because users are dumb enough only to download 10gig to 20gig of data a month, they paying for the convenience to be able to download up to 700Gig if they feel like doing so, with out the hassle of buying more data bundles should the need arise.

 

[Jladan]

Caps and usage

I personally would be happy with about 100gig unshaped at about 400 pm + line at 10 mbps (trying to be reasonable here)

<Rant>
I have a question for anyone who regularly goes over 150 -200 gigs per month. Are you telling me you are able to do such a quanatity of data without pirating anything? If you are pirating things you are pretty much in breach of every single AUP I have ever seen locally and internationally. Yet you are amongst the first to complain about speed / price etc.

In my opinion if you wanna steal everyones work for you own benefit at least be willing to pay the premium price for the unshaped uncapped account instead of whinging how you R450 uncapped account won't allow you to download the enitre interwebs...

I mean seriously guys this is what some users sound like:

"I can't believe how much money it costs to steal other peoples work, and then once I've stolen a lot of other peoples work I get throttled! How unfair is life? People devote their entire working lives to create this program / movie etc I wanna watch in glorius HD, now I am expected to actually pay for it? Whatever..."

</Rant>

 

[Stevie G]

I have been saying this over and over. Capped products is the short term solution until LLU, backhaul and the ISP's can handle uncapped products and that it can be sustainable. start off with a 20GB package, less then that amount it makes no sense going adsl as the user then can use 3G for that amount of cap. then 50GB for the youtube, light streamers/gamers and a few torrents. now we get to the sweetspot where most users will fall into. 100GB, 150GB, 250, 500GB and more. the masses will fall in the categories of between 100GB-250GB. your leechers will fall in the bracket of 250GB+ - 1TB. the leechers will then have to fork out much more because they are draining the exchanges. this model will ensure that ISP's will be able to handle/sustain their network that will make everyone happy.

 

[Stevie G]

I have a Redafrica account currently which suits be fine for R199. i can use 30GB anytime and 100GB between 12am and 6am. this package suits be perfectly in terms of enough data which i use for streaming, torrents, newsservers. the only drawback is that 30GB anytime is not enough for the month. if i can get 100GB anytime for the same amount i will be happy.

 

[Rinkhals]

Frankly, I'd settle on a 150GB (minimum) unshaped softcap after which throttling occurs with the option to pay to unthrottle for every couple of gigs or whatever after.

At least if we can reach that point we can only improve on it.

I agree.

I would much rather pay upfront for bandwidth I may not use than worry about exceeding my cap.

 

[ajules]

Have to agree with the guy but talk is cheap - how about putting your money where your mouth is and delivering on your sentiments.I will be 1st in line for a 100GB -150GB in the R500-R750 range.

 

[waz7710]

bla bla bla bla!!! just cos he can't support uncapped properly! seriously! use an isp who can

 

[Tns]

shut up Wayne

 

[Tns]

That's what I used in the last 6 months on Mweb 4Mb.

It's enough.

no it's not enough

 

[Tick]

Uncapped versus capped ADSL

Altech TC CEO says that there are no truly uncapped ADSL services in South Africa, and that aggressively priced large data packages may be better

It seems like South Africa is having debates and figuring out business models from the 1990s. Did we go back in time or something.

 

[mRsKu11]

I do about 300gigs a month. Just because i get the same shapping on 50gigs/month or 500 a month. I'd love a decently priced 250gig unshapped package but they all x5 of what im paying currently.

 

[darryn]

Well...this is my usage report for the last 12 months uncapped is real this guy is smoking some amazing herbs id like some too please

 

[mrlgm007]

I'd pay R250 for a 250 GB capped offer.

+1

 

[Draciuz]

I never get throttled by MWEB after a certain amount of usage, therefore MWEB ARE providing a true uncapped service.

I've done nearly 2TB over the past year and I still get 100% bandwidth. Just because Altech cannot offer/sustain an uncapped solution, does not mean they should be bashing ISPs that are actually making an effort to provide proper uncapped to their customers. So what if there is cross subsidization. If 10-20GB on an uncapped solution is cheaper than buying 10-20GB bandwidth, how can Altech expect any less?

We all pay the same rate for DSTV/TV license. Does someone that watches TV less often than another person mean that the person needs to pay less or is unfair to that subscriber?

IMO its the customers baby, not those taking advantage of the service that they are paying for.

 

[Draciuz]

I'd pay R250 for a 250 GB capped offer.

So would I.

+1

 

[mrlgm007]

I have a Redafrica account currently which suits be fine for R199. i can use 30GB anytime and 100GB between 12am and 6am. this package suits be perfectly in terms of enough data which i use for streaming, torrents, newsservers. the only drawback is that 30GB anytime is not enough for the month. if i can get 100GB anytime for the same amount i will be happy.

Got the same account the great thing that helps is the free zone so can still do my gaming and get free bw for any thing related to steam...

as well as there ftp server...

 

[Alestorm]

Honestly, RPM, why not at least challenge him on a false statement like "all uncapped services are throttled back after certain usage"? It gets printed on the front page here as if it's a ceridble statement from an industry leader.

We all know very well that the biggest and most prominent uncapped, MWeb, does not throttle back after any certain limit and many users here do hundreds of GB every month, that is truly uncapped (with shaping, as it's advertised). Obviously Altech can't get the subscriber numbers that MWeb have in order to make uncapped sustainable, so he tries to make it look bad.

He does have a point that it's not fair to all subscribers, but if you don't need uncapped then you can happily buy capped accounts. If you want the freedom of uncapped you can also easily afford it. Nothing wrong with this scenario. Sitting with 10,20,50 etc GB caps will still limit our internet usage, rather severely at the <50GB point.

 

[OMB]

I wonder if the need for uncapped would exist if pirated downloads and torrents weren't so common?

/waits for flames

 

[Stevie G]

I never get throttled by MWEB after a certain amount of usage, therefore MWEB ARE providing a true uncapped service.

I've done nearly 2TB over the past year and I still get 100% bandwidth. Just because Altech cannot offer/sustain an uncapped solution, does not mean they should be bashing ISPs that are actually making an effort to provide proper uncapped to their customers. So what if there is cross subsidization. If 10-20GB on an uncapped solution is cheaper than buying 10-20GB bandwidth, how can Altech expect any less?

We all pay the same rate for DSTV/TV license. Does someone that watches TV less often than another person mean that the person needs to pay less or is unfair to that subscriber?

IMO its the customers baby, not those taking advantage of the service that they are paying for.

the real question is choice? what package will suit you according your needs and not have a model like dstv where you get forced to pay the full amount to only watch certain stuff.

 

[abs1]

I would pay R250 for 250gigs unshaped.