Caps: Telkom & Sentech state their cases

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Telkom's 3GB is not sufficient for 20% of their users. Is 20% still a minority?

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ADSL, MyWireless state their case



BY CAREL ALBERTS, ITWEB TECHNOLOGY EDITOR

READ IN THIS STORY:

Intelligent network
‘Not so bad'



[Johannesburg, 27 January 2004] - ADSL users have argued vehemently against the 3GB data cap on Telkom's ADSL, and lately, the Sentech MyWireless “fair use” policy has left customers and prospective clients unsure as to how it will resolve bandwidth-hogging. Both companies have sought to clarify their positions.

Steven White, Telkom executive of new product development, says Telkom's solution protects customers. “The cap we place on users who use a lot of bandwidth helps to ensure the pool doesn't shrink with their actions. When they hit the cap, they can have the same service by buying an additional user name and password from their ISP.”

No matter what other criticism it faces, Telkom wishes to position itself as a responsible, reliable network. “We want to provide a consistently good service, and enough of it,” says White. “The cap effectively means that the person who does not exceed fair use also does not concede to the person who does over-use the service.”

Intelligent network

White's comments point to Telkom's permanent shaping (protocol prioritisation) policy, which gives precedence to protocols that don't harm bandwidth availability. They are http (browsing), smtp (mail) and ftp (file transfer). Excessive ftp use can be harmful, though. Telkom's proactive network monitoring scrutinises this carefully. “Bad” protocols include peer-to-peer networks like Kazaa and Napster, and are not given priority.

Sentech's acceptable use policy (AUP) does not give any details other than simply forbidding “excessive consumption or utilisation of the network as determined in Sentech's sole discretion”. It reserves the right to restrict access to the network, increase fees, including upgrading culprits to a higher class of service, or terminate the service.

Maureen Mphatsoe, Sentech's senior external communications manager, says the AUP used in conjunction with IP network monitoring means Sentech is able to assure customers that a handful of abusers do not affect the rest. “These abuses are clearly highlighted on our network and dealt with individually. The other customers will not suffer as a result. Our monitoring is meant to ensure that at worst, all our customers get fair quality of service.”

‘Not so bad'

White says only 24% of ADSL users use peer-to-peer protocols. Their potential to disrupt the service had been neutralised with the imposition of the cap, and the pool is grown every time one of them upgrades his service, says White. He adds that Telkom has measured less than 20% of its users reaching the 3GB cap.

He says users should also look to other factors when deciding on broadband service provider. “Is there sufficient coverage? Telkom covers 50% of SA, amounting to 90% of our target market,” he says. “We are in negotiations to implement a mini-DSLAM (digital subscriber access multiplexer), which will provide broadband access in areas previously deemed uneconomical to equip. Our satellite options mean you have a range of price and bandwidth options, with the lowest at R1 000 per month, for lower entry points.”

White also points to the cost-effectiveness of copper infrastructure (Sentech currently only has radio-frequency equipment).
http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/telecoms/2004/0401271031.asp?A=MAW&S=Mobile%20and%20Wireless%20Technology&O=FPT

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seems i made the same thread also in the announcements area.

hey rpm if u see this why not make a section dedicated to just news scans?

oh an by the way i ************************************* /end explicitives.

sentech's start sounds like telkoms " nono theres no cap dont worry".

Proud South african rip offs.
 
Sentech claims:

<i>These abuses are clearly highlighted on our network and dealt with individually</i>

If abusers are this easily to identify, surely they can provide a decent mathematical formulae to describe them.

All consumers want to know is how you define abusive behaviour, and then - depending on public opinion of the fairness of the measure - you will either get a lot of flack, or the debate will just vanish.

I'm pretty sure there will be few complaints against a measure defined as that if you use more bandwidth per 7 days than 99% of all other users or per 30 days than 95% of all others, you will receive a friendly call to please slow down.






South Africa needs World Class Broadband at World Competitive Prices.
 
<i>He adds that Telkom has measured less than 20% of its users reaching the 3GB cap.</i>

ok, so I have two accounts. One reaches the cap just after mid month and the other never reaches the cap. How is this then calculated in that 20%? I very much doubt that that has been taken into consideration, yet they insist that if you require more bandwidth you can purchase another account. Damn fools...
 
"with the lowest at R1 000 per month"

And Telkom are content with that compared to the rest of the world? "ROFLMFAO" comes to mind..

I can't belive after 1 year those pig headed Telkom chops can't remove their cranium from their anus. I think Ananzi/Braby's poll speaks for its self. What was it, 83% of ADSL users are unhappy with the service? Ya.. I think they got it backwards. 3Gb is sufficient for 20% of the users, which obviously makes us 80% the minority!

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That is such a laugh... They say they impliment the 3gb cap to protect their users but then they say if you need more BW then you go buy from your ISP, so how does that help ? Lets say EVERYONE goes and buy 3 accounts and EVERYONE dls their 9gb /month then how does a 3gb cap help ? It just doesn't make any sense .... I mean why can't they just say it, all they want is money. They want to bone you over and expect you to smile while your at it.

Yeah and I am also not sure how they relate Account to Users maybe the do it the same way the work out their cap ....
 
they do protect someone. The Telkom bank account that the big sticks use

Proud South african rip offs.
 
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by grubman</i>
<br /><i>He adds that Telkom has measured less than 20% of its users reaching the 3GB cap.</i>

ok, so I have two accounts. One reaches the cap just after mid month and the other never reaches the cap. How is this then calculated in that 20%? I very much doubt that that has been taken into consideration, yet they insist that if you require more bandwidth you can purchase another account. Damn fools...

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I agree with this comment. I budget my usage to 100Mb per day and always make sure that I don't breach my 3Gb limit so that I'm not capped. I could and would easily use in excess of my 3Gb limit but I end up not doing everything that I want to do to preserve the limit so my figure isn't included in the 80%. I would imagine that there are a lot of other users like me.
 
The thing I see here is similar to what was stated above, if we all boutgh 3-4 or more accounts, lets say we all had enough accounts to handle 50GB traffic a month (17 accounts) the network would still be able to handle it without a problem ...

If the answer to that would be "No it couldn't" then that means that telkom can not sell any new ADSL subscriptions as they have no more bandwith ...

so with that in mind there is NO way to hide the fact that this is a monetary issue ...

We are Telkom - Resistance is Futile - You will be Assimilated
 
Blob and Monk - you are so on the money.
And don't forget that Teklom got fined recently for not meeting their social requirements.

ALSO
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R450 Line Rental + R250 Prolog ISP + R80 = R780 for your 1st 3GB.
ONLY R250 for your 2nd GB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAVE R 530.
The more you buy the more you save.
So - you're being stupid by only using 3GB.
When you do the math it seems that you are ripping yourself off by only using 3GB.

How the hell does that fact "position itself as a responsible, reliable network" ????????
 
Here's a quick calculation, it is possible to cap your account in 13 hours. If you then used the capped account on a 56k modem on telkoms R7 a call (8.50 incl VAT) and managed to transfer 40mb/hour (up and down @ 5.6 k/s) you change the bw calculation a little.

Whereas previously you paid R250 for 3072 MB. You now pay 5*8.50 (connecting mon-thurs and the whole weekend) = R 42.50 * 4 (an average month) = R 170 + R 60 (for the infinicall or whatever) = R230 . Now you can connect for a total of 108 hours a week {4*12(mon-thurs) + 60 (weekend)}. 108*4 = 432 hours a month roughly. If we can do 40 mb/hour then 432*40 = 17280 MB per month.

So we are left with on ADSL paying R1 for 12.288 MB and on the same account using 56k paying R1 for 75.13MB. <b>That is a 600% mark-up.</b>

Many of you may be saying that is impossible, but I've been doing that for quite some time on ISDN, I've never been contacted by my ISP for excessive downloading. There is only one conclusion that I can draw from these figures, Telkom is in fact implementing the cap because they know that it is insufficient and they want you to buy more accounts.
 
"Telkom covers 50% of SA, amounting to 90% of our target market"

target market, ie. rich people who can afford to get fleeced. Fucck the poor, right?


Telkom se ma...
 
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target market, ie. rich people who can afford to get fleeced. Fucck the poor, right?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Telkom doesnt give a **** about the poor, they're too much effort to install lines for and their profit margins will suffer. At the end of the day they don't give a **** about SA - and neither does Government by the looks of it, they're perpetuating the situation by allowing all of this to happen while sitting back and coining it.

Nice one Government! Your people trusted you... aaaaaaaaaaaand... look what you've gone and done. Imagine if Hellkom distributed flyers in disadvantaged areas outlining what the the facts are - you'll have quite a problem then, aye? Perhaps flyers could be handed out liberally which explain the facts concisely? Methinks not a bad idea..


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MaD, the trick is to use the masses to get a point to the goverment,

We talk here but goverment dont notice it (and honestly i doubt if they even care what is said on MyAdsl or Hellkom), get te unions to get together and get their members to march, alot more effective, garuanteed...

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Look the average man on the street really doesn't give a **** how much telkom is ripping us off by cause he can't afford it, the severity of the shafting doesn't matter. You have to hit him with facts which effect his life eg. telkom adds 1 % to inflation by itself, telkom prevented 15 large companies from investing due to the high cost of doing business here. Those facts do affect him.
 
i've had isdn. and it was crap. i have dial-up again and it's worse than before.

i now refuse to get adsl. why pay for sub-standard service ?

i'm looking at wireless options now.
 
Here's an idea:

Telkom state that they cap you to 3Gb to prevent people using P2P to degrade the performance of the network.

Telkom could offer you an uncapped ADSL package if you agreed not to use P2P. Part of your terms and conditions of accepting this uncapped package would be that you would explicitly allow Telkom to monitor the traffic down your line and if they detected that you were using P2P then they would take action which could be in the form of switching you back to the capped service, dissabling you or fining you or whatever scheme they came up with as a penalty.

Currently on the 3Gb package Telkom throttle your international access when you hit the 3Gb limit but your local traffic is not affected. As another alternative instead of throttling your international traffic they could throttle your P2P traffic after you've (say) used 1Gb of P2P traffic which would allow limited use of certain services on an uncapped package per month.
 
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thats insane think what your saying you pay for an internet connection. here u want telkom to fine you for using a port that it deems is not priority? im sorry but im so sick of this bull**** by now that even reading one of these news scans makes me want to run for the cupboard to get my migraine capsules cause i can feel em coming.

Proud South african rip offs.
 
I'd like to but 2Gb of HTTP, 350Mb of HTTPS, 1.5GB of FTP, 200MB of TELNET & SSH, 1GB of MAIL
(200MB girlfriend mail, 600MB Work Mail, 199MB other mail, 0.5MB Spam, 0.5MB mother in law mail
I'd also like a restriction on the work mail to be delivered between 1:17:00AM and 1:17:08AM at 0.05kb/s) and to end off I'd like 3E+10GB of PORN d/l.

All these I'd like on a 'best effort' basis and if I don't have a connection, it's ok ... I'll just stop past the adult store on the way to the office from where I can phone my mother in law ...

Could a telkom sales representative please provide me with an 'excellent' quote no sooner then the 17 of July 2008.

Thank you

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