Carnival City Collapse

[dlk001]

ta for clearing that up

thank goodness i only had to take 1st year statics

then there was 2nd year dynamics as well

LOL @ Statics. Which Eng Disciplined you studied for?

I did Civils at UCT and Post Grad in Rock Mechanics at Tuks. Tuks has very good post grad research work.

Because of SAICE's very stringent requirements to register as Pr Eng, its becoming difficult to register new young people because its hard to find diverse work that meets the standard expected by SAICE. So, we are in a situation where a Pr Eng becomes indispensable to a company.

This is a hurdle because we need a succession planning for the seasoned Pr.Eng to work with young Pr.Eng. Also, technology has changed a lot. While young engineers can easily grasp stuff like Finite Element Analysis packages, they are prone to make mistakes from input parameters and assumptions which is where the seasoned guys could be passing on their engineering wisdom.

 

[CALL_ME]

Its pathetic how often they think of maintenance to property,the only maintenance they worried about is the parking ticket machine,it sad that people got killed (lack of maintenace),it could be any of our relatives,shame

Condolences to the bereaved family/ies

 

[bodhi]

LOL @ Statics. Which Eng Disciplined you studied for?

I did Civils at UCT and Post Grad in Rock Mechanics at Tuks. Tuks has very good post grad research work.

Industrial .

yep - heard that post-grad at Tuks is top class as well.

interesting facts you've mentioned regarding registration as a Pr Eng (Civil).

don't know if i'm going for a Pr Eng

 

[dlk001]

Industrial .

yep - heard that post-grad at Tuks is top class as well.

interesting facts you've mentioned regarding registration as a Pr Eng (Civil).

don't know if i'm going for a Pr Eng

Tuks has a good working relationship with CSIR. As a CSIR employee at the time, I got free education at Tuks.

I always wanted to do a Masters in Industrial. I think it would diversify my knowledge quite well.

Its hard indeed to qualify as Pr.Eng. SAICE has extra requirements that need to be met. Its like, the more we short of Engineers, the difficult it becomes to get that elusive Pr.Eng status.

 

[dlk001]

I came past the mall lats knight on my way home from carnival and saw a coupel of cars next 2 the roud faceing the mall. I stoped & looked and saw 1 car krushed just infront of a entrance. That was 8PM. Fire fighters were still bussy.Cheers

I feel sorry for the victims. Sounds like it happened rather catastrophically with little warning.

 

[bodhi]

I always wanted to do a Masters in Industrial. I think it would diversify my knowledge quite well.

good choice - especially with a B Eng (Civil).

 

[ToxicBunny]

Looking at that wall that collapsed, it seems like it was built to just hold a sign of some kind

(saw it on etv news)

 

[kingmonty]

Ok, another thread entirely derailed pointlessly

 

[ToxicBunny]

Which is why I tried to get it back on track

 

[Captain Slog]

I feel sorry for the victims. Sounds like it happened rather catastrophically with little warning.

Ja - they should put up a sign - "Caution. This wall will collapse at 15:00 on the 3rd of February 2008"

Probably STILL have 3 killed.

 

[dlk001]

Ja - they should put up a sign - "Caution. This wall will collapse at 15:00 on the 3rd of February 2008"

Probably STILL have 3 killed.

Its speculative at this point how the wall failed but when cracks start to propagate, its time to put on instrumentation to check whats happening.

Most times, a structure Yields before it reaches point of failure, past its Peak Strength.

Failure like this is really unacceptable. I hope there will be someone who will be held accountable.

 

[AutoX]

Welcome to the 3rd world let's see...

Power crisis... check!
Accused rapist soon to be president... check!
Sewage failure imminent... check!
Building collapse... check! (to be fair building collapses happen everywhere but just in case this is BEE related)

I could go on and on

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[The_Unbeliever]

Shame, the poor family

My condolences go out to them.

Ya, you never know whether the structure they're building for today's mall (or world cup even) won't collapse spectacularly

Just imagine - RWC stadion collapses with full capacity

 

[davos]

An comment - doesnt really add anything to the discussion....

To clear something up about a PrEng in civil, there is no specialisation with PrEngs as suggested by dlk. It is up to the individual engineer to decide if he is competent to carry out a structural design when his experience is more in another field. ECSA relies on the registered engineer to behave in a professional manner and that includes not taking on work he is not experienced enough to handle.

All BscEng Civil students exit varsity with the same qualification and its then up to them and their employer in what field they specialise in.

Brickwork typically does not yield much before cracking and failure occur, both masonry and concrete are very weak in tension and hence once yielding occurs its usually too late and the ultimate load has been exceeded. The steel in reinforced concrete can hold it for a period but unless remedial work is carried out almost immediately the structure would be condemned as you cant unstrech the steel.

ECSA together with SAICE will investigate and impose the required sanction on the engineer.

That sort of think really really shouldnt happen though! In structural design loads are factored up and material strength factored down to deal with uncetainties etc so a wall / slab really shouldnt fail.

there my little contribution hope it helps.