Caster takes gold

DWAAS said:
I know right, it's hard when you're forced to swim with the stream regardless of your views hey?
Too scared you'll get flamed or banned even.
The it is not entirely a woman, now is it?
The testosterone levels is not exactly what it should be, now is it?
Tricky scenario this I know -- still does not make it a fair race
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Then 13900315_10154571064389714_4181766087986374649_n.jpg is also not a woman yet s(h)e holds the record. Go troll somewhere else...
 
DWAAS said:
Anyway, your opinion my opinion -- no cheers from me thanx
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although it may be true we are all entitled to opinions, some are more equal than others

for example a doctor's opinion on a medical condition carries more weight than a carpenter's opinion on the same condition

on this matter your opinion is not more important than that of those who allowed Semenya to participate, and nobody will ever care about your opinion on this matter
 
DWAAS said:
the rule on testosterone limits was lifted, pending a court ruling. This gave C an open door to stop with medication and get that edge
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But it's a natural edge, is this any different to any other naturally occurring part of a person's biology that gives them an edge in a race?
 
Do women with higher levels of the hormone, like Caster Semenya and Dutee Chand, have an unfair advantage on the track? The IAAF says yes, in part because testosterone is linked with lean body mass, which experts on both sides of the debate say is a reason male athletes tend to perform better than female athletes. Testosterone leads to increased strength, speed, and power, IAAF experts argued, which is why many athletes try to illegally take synthetic versions of the hormone to boost their performance.

After Semenya was allowed to return to her natural testosterone levels, "she is untouchable."
Ross Tucker, a professor of exercise physiology in South Africa, points to Semenya's career as an example of natural testosterone's effect. In 2009, before the public knew she was intersex, Semenya dominated the 800m race at the world championships in Berlin. Then the IAAF instituted its testosterone rule. Semenya was required to suppress her levels, and voilá: Her performance dropped off. Though she won a silver medal at the London Games (behind a Russian runner who has since been accused of doping), she failed to move beyond the semifinals in Beijing. After the testosterone rule was suspended in 2015 and she went back to her normal levels, she started dominating again. In April this year, she won the 400m, 800m, and 1500m races at the African Championships—all on the same day. "Now, she is untouchable," Ross wrote recently.
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but what ever
 
Sensorei said:
She might have testes that produce testosterone, but she is still woman. Well done Caster.
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I don't mean to troll but your viewpoint will come under dispute (by certain factions of the Social Justice Warriors) when you replace Caster with Bruce/Caitlyn.
 
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Well done to Caster. However the controversy extends beyond her as both the silver and bronze (Margaret Wambui above) medallists also have high testosterone levels.
 
lcbxx said:
The current rules governing female athletics classifies it a fair race. Will these rules change in light of the whole hyperandrogenism situation? Possibly. Until then public opinion is what it is: public opinion, nothing more.

Personally I think the issue needs to be further investigated with a sports-science mandate and not out of moral opinion.

OP - It is Caster, not Castor.
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Exactly, Caster has taken full advantage of the current rules being in limbo.

I doubt that the final decision would allow those with testes to compete as female, but any decision in the future would not take away Caster's medal, but would leave a bitter taste with the females that Caster competed against in this Olympic event.
 
DWAAS said:
but what ever
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Since you were selective in your post here is another part of the same article.

Yet Olympic competition is almost entirely about physical differences. It encompasses the entire range of body types, from miniature gymnasts to giant basketballers to squat weightlifters. Michael Phelps, the most lauded Olympian of them all, has a highly unusual body—with a long torso, big feet and huge lung capacity—that happens to be ideal for swimming. Usain Bolt’s long stride gives him an advantage over shorter rivals. Unless the governing bodies want to create an infinitesimally complicated handicap system, they should back off and allow the games to celebrate human diversity in all of its forms. And by doing so, the oldest record in athletics might just fall.
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Its all fair as long as she followed the rules dictated by the competition. If your view of women is that they should walk, talk and look a certain way then stop watching the olympics and go watch a beauty pageant or something.
 
TysonRoux said:
Exactly, Caster has taken full advantage of the current rules being in limbo.

I doubt that the final decision would allow those with testes to compete as female, but any decision in the future would not take away Caster's medal, but would leave a bitter taste with the females that Caster competed against in this Olympic event.
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I imagine a similar bitter taste manifested itself back in the day when speed limits were introduced on roads.
 
DWAAS said:
And what does higher levels of testosterone mean in physical performance?
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That her body is better suited to athletics than others? Feels to me people are crying foul because their bodies don't have this advantage. Surely that's what the Olympics is about though - your body's maximum ability used in a race.

I don't see anybody complain about Bolt being too tall and his legs giving him too much of a stride.
 
Hamster said:
That her body is better suited to athletics than others? Feels to me people are crying foul because their bodies don't have this advantage. Surely that's what the Olympics is about though - your body's maximum ability used in a race.

I don't see anybody complain about Bolt being too tall and his legs giving him too much of a stride.
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Hence my position in an earlier post about how testosterone is processed. Me, for example, taking the same amount of artificial testosterone that Schwarzenegger took in his Mr Olympia days does not mean I will develop the same muscle bulk and definition as he has. The factual advantage higher testosterone levels give to track-running athletes over those who do not have elevated levels needs to be scientifically interrogated and concluded, which has not yet happened.

As for the Bolt argument - I am still confused as to why he as a male athlete is used in comparison to Semenya, a female athlete? Not just by you, by many others in the media as well.
 
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I don't see anybody complain about Bolt being too tall and his legs giving him too much of a stride.
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Indeed.
I take issue with people like Oscar Pistorious using modified / artificial body parts competing with regular athletes.
 
saor said:
Indeed.
I take issue with people like Oscar Pistorious using modified / artificial body parts competing with regular athletes.
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LOL - hey you are going to make the SJW League heads explode! They can only deal with so many moral arguments at once!
 
Female athletes are simply going to start boycotting these events.

Feminists always talk about a glass ceiling. I believe we have just witnessed the creation of one.
 
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