Census 2011

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The biggest census ever conducted in South Africa will take place on the night of 9 and 10 October 2011.

Read more bout the census and how it will affect you in a booklet Census 2011 You count [PDF, 2.8 MB]

From: http://www.info.gov.za/events/2011/census-2011/index.html

Official Census 2011 website: http://www.statssa.gov.za/census2011/index.asp

QUESTIONS:

Why can't they make an online form for those who have internet access and prefer to answer questions online? Surely it would make data collection for them easier?

Are there any legal obligations for one to answer the questions? What if someone just refuses to answer the questions?

Anyone else have any other questions/comments?
 
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I don't know about obligations in terms of answering certain specific questions, or even what questions will be asked (income, sexual orientation, religion, etc), but you are obligated to participate, same as you're obligated to pay SARS.

I hear you about an online form though, it would make participating a lot easier. I've missed the last few censuses due to military deployments and so on, and I have no idea where I'll be in October as I'm planning on requesting a deployment to the Congo around that time, so an online form would be perfect for me.
 
Thanks for the reply.
So if you decline to answer they questions they can fine you/arrest you? I'm not saying I'm going refuse to answer the questions I'm just asking what happens to whoever does?
 
... but you are obligated to participate, same as you're obligated to pay SARS...

1) Where do you see that?

2) I want to know how "they" will know where I am at an exact moment...or are they gonna camp in front of your door until you open it?
 
In terms of Section 16 of the 1999 Statistics Act, when it comes to a census, "every person... must to the best of his or her... knowledge and belief, and subject to the right to dignity and privacy, answer, when so required, all questions put orally or in writing... "

According to the act, anyone refusing to answer a question, or who knowingly provides a false or misleading answer, could, if convicted, be liable to a fine of up to R10 000 or six months imprisonment, or both.

Trevor Manuel telling the National Assembly that participation in the census was a statutory obligation. (Sauce)

Now for my own opinions on this matter:
I will answer one question and one question only of the apparently 75 questions and that is how many people reside at the premises. Every other question is an infringement on my rights.

Someone elses opinion on the matter:
How to Avoid the Census

Complete, print and sign this letter.
Give it to the Census worker when they arrive. Always be polite. They will probably threaten you if you don't comply.
This approach is called "conditional acceptance." You are agreeing in principle to do what you are told, but first you have a couple of questions that need to be answered. Of course they cannot answer these questions because to do so would be to reveal a betrayal of human rights.
If you wish, send this through to the Census authority first. Give them 7 days to reply and amend this letter accordingly depending on their response.


Dear Census Official,

My name is [first name in lowercase, eg. John] of the family [surname in lowercase, eg. Smith]. I am a living, breathing sentient human being.

My research has led me to conclude that when my birth was registered, a corporate entity was created. This corporate entity is referred to as [write your title and whole name in all uppercase, eg. MR JOHN RONAN SMITH] with account number [insert your ID number] and is distinct from me, the flesh and blood human being.

It is my understanding that my title, full name and ID Number represent a juristic person / corporation, and the record of this account is held at the South African Reserve bank using a master / slave computer software system.

I have also discovered that my birth certificate is evidence of a financial instrument with a very real commercial value. This commercial value predicted by the amount of money I would earn as I grew up. Thus, it provides collateral for the South African government to float loans at interest without my knowledge or direct consent.

If this holds true, then it stands to reason that a primary role of this Census is to re-evaluate my status as chattel property so that the South African Government can literally “sell” me and my fellow citizens to foreign bankers, as the governments of Iceland, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and others did to their own people.

My research indicates that the purpose of the first census in 1904 was to give names to indigenous people so that they could be granted rights by the existing government. However, in order to be granted rights, it makes logical sense that one would first have to be stripped of the natural rights that he or she was born with. After all, you cannot grant rights to someone who already has them by the mere fact that they are alive.

As I believe in full disclosure, I will therefore only take part in the Census if the following questions have been satisfactorily answered.

  1. Do I have a juristic person?
  2. Is there an account in my name linked to my ID number held at the Reserve Bank, or any other government department?
  3. Is there a bond or security registered in my name with a corresponding CUSIP number?
  4. Does the South African government receive loans based the ability of its people (ie. me) to pay it back?
  5. If yes, then:
  6. How does the government calculate the value of its people?
  7. How does the government connect me to the money that they have borrowed on my behalf?
  8. Does this loan include interest? If it does, then where is the interest supposed to come from in order to pay back these loans?
  9. Are any of the loans granted to the South African government created “out of thin air” using a book-keeping entry, or are 100% of all loans made using real, lawful money?
  10. Is the data collected from the Census linked in any way to the granting of loans made by our government?
  11. Is the census a form of contract? If so, please provide me with the terms and conditions of this contract.
  12. Am I a flesh and blood human being born with natural human rights, or am I a slave with no rights whatsoever, except for those which are granted to me by the South African Government?


Please note that I am intelligent enough to know when my questions are being avoided. I will only accept real, valid and direct answers to my questions above.

Once I have received a suitable response, I will happily take part in your Census.

Yours Faithfully,

[first name in lowercase, eg. John] of the family [surname in lowercase, eg. Smith]
 
I don't mind taking part if I must be honest but hopefully when I am not busy with clients and stuff.
 
hopefully they will do like the last one, just drop the forms off and come back later and fetch them
 
The questions used to be simple, like age, job and relationship to the other occupiers. Nowadays it appears to be used for direct selling, so I will just be out all the time. They can come back next year or the year after, I don't care.
 
As a non-South African permanent resident, am I obliged to take part in the census?
 
They will get the answers to everything barring what is IN my house, and how much money I earn.

They have no right to knowing what items I have in my house.. and SARS know how much I earn.
 
Do you have to let them on your premises? Or can they be outside and answer the questions?
 
you do not HAVE to let them into your premises... but you will be required to answer the questions.
 
The question regarding what you earn is optional.

Other than that... the only question you really have to answer is... how many people live in your house.

Beware people asking you for ID numbers, bank account numbers or other info.
Also beware of phishing emails posing as census information gathering.
 
you do not HAVE to let them into your premises... but you will be required to answer the questions.
Why? On what legal grounds can the government force me to participate in a census?

I mean I don't really have a problem answering some simple questions but I don't see how you can be forced to answer questions or even answer them truthfully.
 
Me got an big yard, a big dog, and a big f#@$$@@ locked gate.
Unless they get me in front of my gate, they won't get to me...
 
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