Cheap TV could be a turn-off

I save all my money and splash out on a 20 grand HD TV... Don't you think I should be able to expect digital and state of the art technology?

Don't misunderstand me - I agree with you on that. People who can afford it, should be able to get what they want. But on the other hand, people who can afford that sort of thing know exactly what they want, and are much less likely to be conned. I know that if I am going to put down that sort of money on a TV (and I probably am going to be putting down close to that), I'm going to be doing a heap of research and reading up first, and anyone who doesn't, probably deserves what he gets. I mean, that's not exactly pocket change...
 
If you compare it to the UK trying to achieve the same thing, they began broadcasting back in 2002 and are only planning to do the switch off by 2012. We haven't even agreed on the format we're going to be using except that it needs to be manufactured locally.

ondigital began broadcasting as the worlds first digital terrestrial pay tv service in 1998 system was hacked, ondigital went bust, was rebranded briefly as ITVDigital and that went bust and was bought out and is now known as Freeview/Top-up-TV.

10 years later the first of the analogue transmitters was switched off. London is scheduled to go fully digital by 2012 if memory serves me correct (or could be 2010, cant be bothered to look it up)

bog standard decoders can be had for 16pound now. a twin tuner 80gb pvr will be about 100pound. for 35pound (the magic R500 mark) you can get a decoder with card slots, 7day epg+now/next OSD and digital text service (subtitles for the deaf etc)

but even I shudder when I hear the DoC want to try push it through so quick.

do a quick poll on monday with your workmates, see how many of them know what dvb-t is...now imagine the whole country having to find out and understand within the next couple of years.
 
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But on the other hand, people who can afford that sort of thing know exactly what they want, and are much less likely to be conned.

You'll be surprised how little the general public know.

I was at Hi-Fi corp and asked the "MANAGER" of the department what TV's were digital and he told me "all the ones that said HD Ready". Heh? WTF! What does HD have to do with digital ffs! - shows how even the industry don't know what they talking about in this place! My frikking CRT tube tv which is impossible to be HD, is digital! (import)

Public will pay 30 G's + for a TV that's a piece of cr@p and won't know any better till 2011 or whenever the cutoff date is.
Buy yours there in Holland buddy.....there's nothing much here!
 
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TVs which receive a signal using the HDMI connection (or a DVI connection)
or the ImagePort are digital. They may NOT have a DIGITAL TERRESTRIAL receiver but like my TV which is actually a monitor (display) only they accept
digital input and display whatever's displayed on them. You only need to buy the SET TOP BOX which will feature a coaxial/optical out for SOUND (connect to your HT amp) or an HDMI connection which you'll be able to connect to your TV and the HT amp.

No-one thus far has lost any sleep that the Made in Japan Hitachi's or the Made in China SONY's have had NO built in DSTV decoders. So why cry about this DOC BS?
 
You only need to buy the SET TOP BOX which will feature a coaxial/optical out for SOUND (connect to your HT amp) or an HDMI connection which you'll be able to connect to your TV and the HT amp.

Spot on PeterCH. So those STB's better have those features!

But I'm pretty sure the DoC, who make statements as contained in the article, are way too stupid to know what your talking about and will take the cheapest BEE bidder for those boxes - so at best we'll be lucky to get nicam stereo, and that's what I'm afraid of....:mad:

[EDIT] I guess we could always import one...at a price...probably as much as the little bit extra we would have spent on a dvb tv in the first place...:rolleyes:
 
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Being a mariner by profession I recently procured a Philips DTR 220 Set Top Box in the UK (GBP 20 - about R300 at today's rate). I use the ship's communal antenna which provides a TV jack in each cabin and plug the normal TV RF cable in the back of the device. The STB's output is a SCART but at the other end of this cable are component (yellow/white/red) RCA plugs which I run to the AV inputs of the cabin TV.

Although the instructions advise it is for use in UK and Ireland only, it works perfectly in Germany, Holland, Belgium, France, Portugal and Spain (including the Canaries). Being FTA device it picks up all the available 'Free' Stations perfectly although obviously the subscription ones are not viewable - the names of these are, however, shown on the tuning menu and while tuning you can see the Box acquiring these stations.

Picture quality is superb and I have been receiving signals up 40 kays from the coast.

I have tried flashing it up here in Durban but so far nada. While tuning it runs through the whole tuning spectrum (as far as I can see 474...862 MHZ) but not even the glimmer of a signal. I guess Sentech hasn't started test broadcasts in this area?
 
Sentech testing in JHB only at the mo, and very limited coverage. Nothing fancy, No HD, No 16:9 widescreen, No 5.1 sound. - same as analogue basically with a better picture.

[EDIT] Some German guy I spoke to at Ellies today confirmed that only the "braai grid" type antennas sold from less than 4 years ago will accept the digital signal - and all the "booster" jobs you get will bugger that up so don't use them. Strait from Antenna to TV is the way to go.

He also mentioned that all the transmission towers in the big cities are are ready to go digital
 
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Now the government is telling grownups what to do with their money. If they are so worried about them being conned, why don't they spend their time on educating the public. I bet most of the population doesn't even know what analog / digital TV is. They never even heard of 'a new/imminent method' of receiving television signal. Instead of knocking business people who are trying to make money, please get of your rusty dusty and embark on the awareness campaign.
 
Sentech already doing the digital upgrade.If you have had no tv reception for about a whole day in recent months,chances were that was your transmitter's digital upgrade in progress.

Your subsidised dvb-t receiver will be smaller than your dstv decoder,with no bells,just composite.This is for the mass market.

Tv's with dvb-t built-in should not cost much more(if any) than analogue ones.Built-in dvb-t is cheap.If the goverment subsidised the receivers they can sell it for around R250 easily.I suspect they build the sabc license into the price.

I can't understand the fuss about not having a digital tuner,it's not a big thing.
 
Your subsidised dvb-t receiver will be smaller than your dstv decoder,with no bells,just composite.This is for the mass market.

That's what I feared. I thaught one of the conditions by FIFA for 2010 was digital with HD broadcast?.

Whats the point if the only people who can get that are those with imported DVB TV's!

(and those with DSTV and have forked out for their new decoders...!!!) but that's got nothing to do with the digital terestrial upgrade condition :confused:
 
Surely anyone who can afford 360 rand a year for a TV license can afford a once off payment of probably about the same for a set top box.

Perhaps it would be in the SABC's best interest to utilize some of its 183 million rand profit for 2007 (shame it was down from 383 million the year before) to educate the public about what digital actually is, and instead of hammering the businessmen trying to make a living, enter into some sort of agreement where Audio visual outlets can sell the "ancient" analog TV systems in conjunction with set top boxes (instead of throwing thousands of analogue tv's in the bin) for dirt cheapo prices, then perhaps TV really can be a medium for all South Africans and not just for the minority who will be able to purchase Digital Tuning TV's for tens of thousands of rands as soon as the signal becomes available.

With that said .. dont be surprised if the average joe law abiding south african is expected to pay a compulsory 30 rand a month extra "TV License surcharge" to subsidize the poor on SABC's behalf, as the bulk of south africans utilizing the SABC service dont even know what a tv license is and will therefore not likely be paying it in a hurry ....

Go Figure .. maybe we'll be ready for digital tv as the final whistle blows on the last game of the Fifa world cup .. but I'm not holding my breath ... especially not if Ivy and the gang have anything to do with it ... ask Neotel .......
 
just for the minority who will be able to purchase Digital Tuning TV's for tens of thousands of rands

Wrong!

They the same price as what we paying for the analogue jobs!

We just getting skrewed because like you say, the public are uneducated about what digital is....

We are concerned at the possibility that the industry might dump analogue televisions on our people

Then why are they still doing it?
And why are they not dirt cheap?

and Sentech has been testing it for years already, ...... I don't believe for one second the DoC BS that they still have not decided what DVB standard they going to use!

So why do we not have DVB TV's here yet still?
Because the retailers, suppliers, manufactures, someone, IS getting them dirt cheap and milking us....:mad:
 
I did a quick google for "lcd tv dvb site:za", and the only TV with dvb in the first 3 pages was this Philips from Techdigital at R19k. Maybe Radhakrishna could find a cheaper TV with DVB, because I couldn't.
 
I did a quick google for "lcd tv dvb site:za", and the only TV with dvb in the first 3 pages was this Philips from Techdigital at R19k. Maybe Radhakrishna could find a cheaper TV with DVB, because I couldn't.

Smokes Nod, Thats one frikking nice TV.
Now imagine how pissed you would be to spend that and find out it was only analogue !:eek:
 
Wrong!

They the same price as what we paying for the analogue jobs!

We just getting skrewed because like you say, the public are uneducated about what digital is....
What are you talking about? The only DVB TVs will be flat panels, most of the TV sets sold in South Africa are CRT sets at a low price.

Then why are they still doing it?
And why are they not dirt cheap?
huh? what are you on about?



So why do we not have DVB TV's here yet still?
Because the retailers, suppliers, manufactures, someone, IS getting them dirt cheap and milking us....:mad:
Crap. Please do some research before you post this tripe. The biggest additional cost element in televisions in South Africa is the ridiculous customs duty which works out to nearly 36% of the initial cost. Analogue flat panel sets are not much cheaper than DVB ones, the cost is in the panel, not the tuner.

Why would manufacturers import products that they cannot be sure will satisfy the local standards? The DoC has not gazetted the standard and no-one knows whether there will be conditional access or not. This makes a huge difference to the hardware.
 
What are you talking about? The only DVB TVs will be flat panels, most of the TV sets sold in South Africa are CRT sets at a low price.

huh? what are you on about?.

What are you talking about?
Why will they only be flat panel and not CRT may I ask? That would be very nasty.
What about those that cannot afford the flat panel types dude?

They been making CRT DVB TV's for years - before your LCD and Plasma TV's ever came on the scene !!!:confused:

The DoC has not gazetted the standard and no-one knows whether there will be conditional access or not. This makes a huge difference to the hardware.

Are they not referring to the STB when they say that?
If they do decide to go that route, is that not what the CAM slots are for anyways - Conditional Access Modules?

Why would manufacturers import products that they cannot be sure will satisfy the local standards?
Sentec have known for years the specifications and what DvB standard they were going to use. Has nothing to do with all the DoC's BS, gazetting and fussing over the STB's. They should have been selling us those UK / Europe std TV's here years ago - and in the event they did not work (unlikly IMHO), what the hell, like you said, didn't cost you any more.


Analogue flat panel sets are not much cheaper than DVB ones, the cost is in the panel, not the tuner.
You missed me here - we in agreement - that's what I've been saying all along, they are NOT more expensive.

But if you have two identical models on a shelf, one DVB and one analogue, which one you going to buy? What does that do to the analogue's value?
And how will you get rid of the analogue one? Reduce the price maybe? Cheap to make it more attractive?....But wait - I know a country we can ship these things off to who will pay.....

No way, someone's been conned and making a killing out of this sorry state of affairs(IMHO).
 
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Although I’m in IT now, I come from an electrical engineering background – how that happened don’t ask. But I have Radio experience which is not too far off TV, and I have end user experience with digital TV. But most of what I say / said is simply common sense and logic and it’s a pity we not heard from anyone at Sentech and they don’t answer their technical emails and won’t confirm sh*t to the public! Typical.

We have followed the same path in DvB digital TV as the UK, as we did back in 1975 when SAUK first switched on the PAL analogue signal. Sentech have been testing the system since 2003. They have already upgraded half the transmission towers. I doubt there will be much turning back, regardless of what the clueless DoC is talking about. If they do there’s no way of making 2010. Yes it may be encrypted and so on – that has so little to do with it I won’t go into details.

This means that a digital TV of UK standard will work here, as far as I’m concerned.
(My point stand - So where have our digital tv’s been for the last 5 years)

As far as encryption:
Yes they could make it controlled access. Using CAMS (in which case your pommy TV will also work as all digital TV’s come with at least two.) But I doubt they will take this route for 2 reasons:

1) So many have already complained that they only use their TV for DvD’s, games, DSTV etc. Now with a CAM (Conditional Access - smart card like dstv) If they don’t pay, this is a marvelous excuse because they cannot actually receive the signal.
2) There is a big legal difference between “license” and what amounts to a “pay subscription” TV service. Especially if you are the “National broadcaster”.

If it’s a pay channel service, all the extra service – I want mine turned on for the 2010 WC, here’s my money, turn it off again after ….Monochoice can do this….. for SABC? Our subs will go from R15/month, R180/year to who knows what…?


Then they could hard chip their decoders. (Hands up who remembers, when Mnet first launched, taking their decoder to Mr Lee’s dodgy corner shop to get rechipped for 50 bucks). Shove under the home brew UV box - clear and reprogramme. 5 mins max :D

This is way more problematic than it’s worth. It would also mean a proprietary piece of hardware for the TV’s with built-in digital. Mass producing TV’s simply for tiny SA and our limited population would cost how much exactly? (And imagine what it would cost us to buy such a set!!)

My CRT tv is very old. Very modest by today’s standards. But I cannot afford a plasma or LCD, esp if it doesn’t have digital. But for an 8 year old 32” widescreen 16:9 with Dolby 5:1, plenty more than just 2 AV inputs, progressive scan and DvB digital tuner, can’t wait for the day they turn the digital on so I can use it at least once here before it packs up. I think the CRT picture outperforms all the lcd and plasma.s, esp the 100hz models. (Me old school) Maybe eyes not so good anymore.

Then again with all said and done, with our DoC, and how stupid they are, with little or no common sense or logic, who the hell knows what they gonna do, anything’s possible!

ARF9999 and others who have given me hell on this thread - I’ll PM you in November and let you know if I was right or wrong. Laughing or crying.
 
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