China - Taiwan Developments

Cosmik Debris said:
Oh. so elected governments can't make decisions then?
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I didn't say that, I said further on there are elements of people against it that you conveniently did not quote. You should fix your quote to include the rest of my post, those points are fairly important because of the potential impact of war in the current situation.

Ironically if you believe the decisions of the elected government should not be taken into consideration with what the people are saying, then you support what the anc government is doing without opposition relative to what everyone else in the general public is saying. You support the anc denying the dalai lama a visa to visit tutu because it was what the elected government decided.
 
Mystic Twilight said:
It was an example, and the military technology and doctrine has changed tremendously since then. I also think you are incorrect regarding the ussr long range missiles, the ussr had perfectly capable icbm (R-36 is one such example, operational range up to 16 000km) that could launch from russia to strike the usa (quick google check distance from moscow to washington dc is 7800km), hence the MAD doctrine. Not sure if there was something else you were trying to refer to. Anyway the actual missiles is not the point, the point being is the force projection and proximity, the usa will equally protest if today russia or china setup a military base in cuba or the bahamas.
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The Russians have a military base in Cuba - the entire island.

The issue in 1962 was the range of Russian missiles could not hit Washington DC. Which is why they tried to put them in Cuba and the US refused.

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Mystic Twilight said:
It was an example, and the military technology and doctrine has changed tremendously since then. I also think you are incorrect regarding the ussr long range missiles, the ussr had perfectly capable icbm (R-36 is one such example, operational range up to 16 000km) that could launch from russia to strike the usa (quick google check distance from moscow to washington dc is 7800km), hence the MAD doctrine. Not sure if there was something else you were trying to refer to. Anyway the actual missiles is not the point, the point being is the force projection and proximity, the usa will equally protest if today russia or china setup a military base in cuba or the bahamas.
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Not quite

In 1962, the Soviets only had at max 75 ICBM's. A year before, they had 7. They were unreliable and innacurate.

The USA had 170.

In terms of warheads, the US had nearly 30 000, while the Soviets only had around 3000.

The Soviets did however have hundreds of MRBM's. So to offset the massive strategic advantage that the US had, they opted for basing a few of these MRBM's in Cuba. In essense to make MAD a possibility, as without the MRBM's the US could easily out-nuke them.
 
Temujin said:
Lets not forget all that co2 her plane pumped into the atmosphere. She has knowingly and willingly waged war on humanity with her selfish use of fossil fuels
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False equivalence and argument from incredulity logical fallacies.

So the military exercises to be held in Taiwanese territorial waters by the CCP PLA won't be using more fossil fuel than her plane?
 
Mystic Twilight said:
I didn't say that, I said further on there are elements of people against it that you conveniently did not quote. You should fix your quote to include the rest of my post, those points are fairly important because of the potential impact of war in the current situation.

Ironically if you believe the decisions of the elected government should not be taken into consideration with what the people are saying, then you support what the anc government is doing without opposition relative to what everyone else in the general public is saying. You support the anc denying the dalai lama a visa to visit tutu because it was what the elected government decided.
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If elected representatives go against people's wishes, they are voted out next election. You can't hold a referendum for every aspect of government. that's why they are elected representatives.
 
Cosmik Debris said:
If elected representatives go against people's wishes, they are voted out next election. You can't hold a referendum for every aspect of government. that's why they are elected representatives.
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I did mention and acknowledge elected representatives as a counter argument.

Mystic Twilight said:
Except only the top people/people in power in government invited her, not the whole of taiwan (there could be some argument regarding representation in a democracy),
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Can someone please offer Cosmik a job or something, he needs to make better use of his time lmaooooo
And then also maybe just show him how to spell Renin-Angiotensin since his Wikipedia notes didn't quite seem to stick, which is strange considering his towering intellect :unsure:
 
Cray said:
Weird how most people would think that democracy is a good thing, yet you peeps seem to think that 23 million people losing their democratic right to decide their own destiny is all good?
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Here's an interesting take on democracy.

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

The Antidote to Tyranny is Liberty, Not Democracy or International Government

When presidents and prime ministers make and enforce their own laws under the pretext of "emergency powers," then citizens should not be surprised when their leaders discover an endless supply of "emergencies" requiring urgent action. The opposite of
www.gatestoneinstitute.org www.gatestoneinstitute.org

So what does it mean when Western leaders these days speak so much of democracy but so little of individual rights? Or that they preach the virtues of international institutions, while demonizing nationalism as xenophobic and dangerous? It means that national sovereignty and natural, inviolable rights are under direct attack throughout the West.
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The rule of law does not excuse tyranny simply because what is unjust was democratically enacted. If any voting minority is vulnerable to the whims of the majority, then to that minority a democratic government feels exceedingly authoritarian, too. And should your life, liberty, or property be on the line, you might very well prefer the judgment of a benevolent dictator to the demands of a vengeful, yet "democratic," mob.
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uJochi said:
Can someone please offer Cosmik a job or something, he needs to make better use of his time lmaooooo
And then also maybe just show him how to spell Renin-Angiotensin since his Wikipedia notes didn't quite seem to stick, which is strange considering his towering intellect :unsure:
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Whose clone are you?
 
Paulsie said:
Here's an interesting take on democracy.

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

The Antidote to Tyranny is Liberty, Not Democracy or International Government

When presidents and prime ministers make and enforce their own laws under the pretext of "emergency powers," then citizens should not be surprised when their leaders discover an endless supply of "emergencies" requiring urgent action. The opposite of
www.gatestoneinstitute.org www.gatestoneinstitute.org
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Classy website that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

n 2011[33] and 2012,[15] Gatestone published articles claiming that Europe had Muslim "no-go zones", falsely describing them variously as "off-limits to non-Muslims"[15] and "microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law".[33][5] The claim that there are areas in European cities that are lawless and off limits to local police or governed by Sharia is false.[15][33][5][17][20] Gatestone's claims were picked up by many outlets, including FrontPageMag,[33] and The Washington Times.[5] The idea of no-go zones originated from Daniel Pipes,[33] who later retracted his claims.[15]

On November 18, 2016, Gatestone published an article that said the British Press had been ordered to avoid reporting the Muslim identity of terrorists by the European Union. Snopes rated the claim "false". Snopes pointed out that the report only made a recommendation and it was issued by the Council of Europe, not the European Union.[16] Gatestone subsequently corrected the article and apologized for the error,[34] before removing it entirely from its website.

In 2017, Gatestone falsely claimed that 500 churches closed and 423 new mosques opened in London since 2001, and argued that London was being islamized and turning into "Londonistan".[35][13] According to Snopes, Gatestone used "shoddy research and cherry-picked data."[35] Specifically, Gatestone only counted churches that closed but not churches that opened; data for the period 2005-2012 alone show that 700 new churches opened in London.[35]

In 2017, Gatestone ran a story about high Muslim fertility rates, headlined "Muslims Tell Europe: 'One Day This Will All Be Ours.'" However, no Muslim said the quote in question. The quote came from a French Catholic bishop who claimed that this was something that Muslims had told him.[36] The misleadingly headlined article was widely distributed on Facebook, and its claims were repeated by other conservative websites.[36]

The Gatestone Institute published false articles during the 2017 German federal election.[37] A Gatestone article, shared thousands of times on social media, including by senior German far-right politicians, claimed that vacant homes were being seized in Germany to provide housing solutions for "hundreds of thousands of migrants from Africa, Asia, and the Middle East."[14] The German fact-checker Correctiv.org found that this was false; a single house was placed in temporary trusteeship, and had nothing to do with refugees whatsoever.[14] Gatestone also cross-posted a Daily Mail article, which, according to BuzzFeed News, "grossly mischaracterized crime data" concerning crime by refugees in Germany.[38]
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Cray said:
32 posts in 14 years? Sure, nothing to see here... :rolleyes:
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This is funny because you don't need to overthink this bro, I'm simbly my own person lmao, end of da story innit.
I'm a bit worried Cosmik blows a gasket, is all, he needs to chill :ROFL:
 
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