Chiropractor breaks baby's neck

If you're having severe and recurring back and leg pain, does it not strike you as imperative to see an actual medical doctor about it? Let's say you're right and he's managing the pain for you, you're still not addressing the underlying cause. All he's doing is perhaps resetting your vertebrae (in an incredibly dangerous manner) which provides temporary relief. Your underlying problem persists. And this is the other issue with these charlatans - they're so convincing that you don't even consider treatment from anyone else. That in itself is despicable on their part.

You've got a problem, dualmeister. It might be pinched nerves. It might be spasms. It might be a more serious spinal issue. It might be a mass. It might be in your neck. It might be a clot. It might be a whole host of things. But you've gone to someone without a medical doctorate who has used debunked techniques to lump assumption upon assumption to diagnose you with an issue that just happens to be in his best interests, while discounting all other possibilities that he's nowhere near qualified to do so.

You're being taken for a ride...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
If it was based on "sound scientific principles", then they would have qualified with at least a degree in science...
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i agree with you, half of it seems serious, the other half seems completely crazy, but still, results.

i can't see telling people that they didn't have a good experience or that they're all conmen is a good road to take
 
STS said:
i agree with you, half of it seems serious, the other half seems completely crazy, but still, results.

i can't see telling people that they didn't have a good experience or that they're all conmen is a good road to take
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What conditions would you see a chiropractor for? They can't fix broken bones. They can't fix autoimmune issues. They can't fix lacerations. They can't fix actual spinal injuries. They can't fix infections. They can't fix cancer. They can't fix disease. They basically cannot fix anything that manifests itself physically. They claim however to fix anything vague enough to be able to conveniently slap a pinched nerve or bad spine label to. That's the first sign of a con.

You go in for some obscure pain and they discount every disease, cancer, syndrome, infection, growth and basically every actual medical affliction in the book, while wholly unqualified to do so, and then proceed to order irrelevant tests that serve no purpose other than to scare you into believing their bullschit diagnosis made from nothing but a thumbsuck. It's dangerous quackery. It too kills people. And that stat that the totally unbiased chiropractor association uses is another dead giveaway that they're con artists and aware of it. No global study shows such a low risk. They're simply making schit up...
 
DJ... said:
That's not a diagnosis. That's assumption, based on assumption, based on assumption. And it's one of their favourite arguments that one leg is shorter than the other. They even use classic con artist techniques to prove it by manipulating the position of your feet to show you. It is entirely normal for legs to be different lengths. It really is. And guess how leg asymmetry is treated? With a heal lift in your shoes.

Bottom line here is that you saw one of the worst kind of quacks there is. He's used every con in the book and you've bought it. These kind of people know that they're full of schit...
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And he's got a repeat customer. Smart guy.
 
There's a reason we have pediatricians. Toddler at a chiropractor rofl :erm:
 
TJ99 said:
Yeah, it is pretty funny until someone breaks a baby's neck doing a completely unnecessary procedure.
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there was a lady doing baby aerobics too, you get ridiculous people
 
Here are a few victims of chiropractors - http://whatstheharm.net/chiropractic.html

Kristi sought relief from sinus headaches from her chiropractor. A neck manipulation caused a brain stem stroke and she died three days later. The chiropractor later paid a $1000 fine
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Linda was scheduled for surgery to remove a tumor, when her parents met a chiropractor who said he could cure her. He had her swallowing up to 124 pills a day for months. He was convicted of second-degree murder in 1967
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His wife found him collapsed in their stairwell. He had had a chiropractic adjustment 3 hours earlier. His stroke was ruled to have been caused by the adjustment. He died 6 days later
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She attended a chiropractor for backache. X-ray taken, and cancer of the vertebral body was missed. Subsequent manipulation caused major fracture which required 3-level fusion to fix and resulted in chronic pain.
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Les went to a chiropractor for some neck pain related to his hip replacement. The neck manipulation caused a brain stem stroke that paralyzed him and put him on a respirator
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Laurie had a tailbone injury and sought out a chiropractor who manipulated her neck. She fell into a coma and died three days later.
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A regular chiropractic patient for nine years, she had neck pain, headaches and dizziness after two prior appointments. The third time, she fell into a coma and died
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After a tumor on his back was surgically removed, his doctors recommended radiation and chemo. His chiropractor disagreed and injected him with unproven substances. He died of liver failure (he had no liver cancer) and a lawsuit resulted
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She visited a chiropractor with help with her headaches. After a neck manipulation, her headache got worse. A second chiropractor manipulated her neck once more, and she had a stroke. She is now quadriplegic and requires a ventilator.
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Eric is a church youth counselor who is in fantastic physical shape. Following a routine spine & neck adjustment for "wellness" he experienced dizziness, impaired vision and headache. He'd had a stroke.
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A chiropractor advised ceasing anticonvulsive medication and treated her with cranio-sacral therapy. When seizures returned, he insisted they were normal. She died in a later seizure. He got 18 months in prison.
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This kid was 11 years old:
He was taken by his parents to a chiropractor, who manipulated his back, but failed to notice he had a spinal cord tumor. His was left paralyzed. The parents sued for $2.75 million.
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More at the link. Still want to tell me that chiropractors are legit? These aren't your usual medical malpractice issues relating to mistakes, apathy, laziness and ineptitude. These are the inherent risks of visiting a chiropractor. It's the risk of simply visiting one.

And I bet you these chiropractors don't have a full patient history before getting to work. If you have low blood pressure, are on blood thinning meds (and they don't do any pharmacology so even if you told them they wouldn't know), suffer from arthritis, suffer from osteoporosis and many other ailments, the health profession states outright that you should not visit a chiropractor. They will only cause you more harm than good. Yet they advertise and market their services as suitable for arthritis. The same for osteoporosis. The same for headaches which are incredibly common for people with low blood pressure. And so much more.

Still want to tell me that they're legit? Still want to tell me that they're not dangerous quacks? Still want to risk having a stroke because on that specific day your blood pressure was a bit low? Still want to risk additional bone fractures, missed diagnoses and/or incorrect diagnoses because your chiropractor is not qualified to do so? Still want to discount every single actual medical affliction possibly being diagnosed in favour of having one of these unqualified con-men do so? Still think they have your best interests at heart when it is abundantly clear that many of them are aware that they're conning people but continue to do so? Still want to visit these morons who are taught at chiropractic school that all of the body's ailments stem from the spine? Still believe these con-men when they state that having one leg marginally shorter than the other is causing massive pain? What a joke.

Just read up on the extensively chronicled history of quackery surrounding chiropractors - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism
 
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DJ... said:
What conditions would you see a chiropractor for? They can't fix cancer.
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I knew somebody who went to a chiro for back pain for years. She was unaware the pain was actually from tumor in her lung until it was too late.
 
mister said:
I knew somebody who went to a chiro for back pain for years. She was unaware the pain was actually from tumor in her lung until it was too late.
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That's terribly sad. But a far too common occurrence when it comes to these quacks. They're simply not medical professionals...
 
DJ... said:
That's terribly sad. But a far too common occurrence when it comes to these quacks. They're simply not medical professionals...
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The scary thing is I know a friend who is normally pretty smart and clued up who takes her family for chiro visits as if they were going to the dentist. She even bragged how the chiro fixed the colic in her child, I felt like saying wtf.
 
Lupus said:
The scary thing is I know a friend who is normally pretty smart and clued up who takes her family for chiro visits as if they were going to the dentist. She even bragged how the chiro fixed the colic in her child, I felt like saying wtf.
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Unfortunately even intelligent people can get sucked in, Isaac Newton dabbled in bs.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
To be fair, he didn't live in a time like we do where knowledge is as widely available.

Yes, he believed lots of bunk, but all of it wasn't established as bunk just yet.
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Sure, only his mathematics, optics etc have interested me so im not even sure what he had to say on the matter of things like Alchemy etc. At the time it might have warranted further testing and investigation, any one aware if he made any certain claims with regards to alchemy?
 
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