chronic pain management

[copacetic]

I would agree for the smoking part if you going through it, but definately not for gauging the dose. You wont be able to quantify the dose accurately as you using a raw plant.

However the smoking will provide the fastest effect as smoking will cause the THC to hit arterial blood flow almost instantly

Smoking is most certainly the best way for gauging the dose, as it can be taken in immediately, in the smallest increments. There is no other way to do it, really.

EDIT:

but be warned, smoking cause tachycardia and narrowing of the coronary arterties which supply the heart with blood. A single puff of smoke (any smoke) is enough to cause a constriction in the heart. You can cause a heart attack in an elderly patient if they arent used to smoking

This would explain all the old people dying around the braai all the time. If only we'd known...

I think you are somewhat overstating the risks here.

I also suspect that it's not apparent to people who have never used high-grade cannabis before, just how little you need (especially in search of a therapeutic effect, rather than a 'high').

In any event, a vapourizer is a good option if the smoke is an irritant, or a worry.

 

[johndice]

Go for the weed mate..

 

[Wife]

My husband broke his neck 2 years ago and was operated on a UCT academic where he contracted the flesh eating super bug Staphylococcus Aureus (UCT seems to be renowned for this). He also has chronic pain and has tried numerous pain killers. Most doctors won't prescribe anything stronger than tremacet and trepoline so he's on a cocktail of drugs.

Good luck trying to get pethidine or morphine prescribed for chronic pain. That's only going to happen if you're terminally ill.

 

[Beachless]

will report back tomorrow.

Any feed back?

 

[RiaX]

Tell me how smoking is the best way for gauging a dose?

Firstly you making two critical errors in you idea:

1) You assuming that each leaf has the same amount of thc in it and you have an entire even distribution within the smoke, which is not possible.

2) You assuming there is a 100% convertion ratio in the vapourising and nothing is denatured by the heat. Again unlikely.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Tell me how smoking is the best way for gauging a dose?

You are barking up the wrong tree. It is the best way of gauging a dose in that you can smoke a little bit at a time until relief is achieved. The effects from smoking/vaporising are evident after about 2 mins so you can adjust quickly and effectively.

Ingesting is a bit of pot luck...The effects are felt 45 mins or so later. If youve not had enough you have to eat more (and wait another 45 mins) or if you've had too much then you are blasted for hours.

 

[RiaX]

That's not how dosing works. Especially with an aerosol based medicine.

The reason you need more orally is because of enzymatic action of the digestive tract and first pass metabolism by the liver.

Dose is not one to one with effect.

 

[copacetic]

Tell me how smoking is the best way for gauging a dose?

Firstly you making two critical errors in you idea:

1) You assuming that each leaf has the same amount of thc in it and you have an entire even distribution within the smoke, which is not possible.

:erm: That's entirely the point...

There is no way to know, specifically, how much you are taking in, and more importantly, each person and their situation will call for a different individual dose.

Therefore, by smoking it in small amounts, coupled with monitoring how you feel, you can adequately provide what you need to alleviate your symptoms.

2) You assuming there is a 100% convertion ratio in the vapourising and nothing is denatured by the heat. Again unlikely.

Again, you seem to be misunderstanding.

*edit*

Before we get into a semantic argument about the word 'dose', I think it's pretty clear what we mean.

 

[Grant]

report back.

she reported very little or no relief.
however, i blame myself for that.
made her a super slim spliff & told here to take 2 or so little drags about half an hour before sleep - i have many years expirience with various substances & am super aware of going little by little until a desired point is reached.

also, she is a non-smoker, so i did not want her to choke & then fear the stuff.
so tonight, she will be having more (increased amount). i am pretty confident it will work.
she is also treading carefully !!

 

[RiaX]

report back.

she reported very little or no relief.
however, i blame myself for that.
made her a super slim spliff & told here to take 2 or so little drags about half an hour before sleep - i have many years expirience with various substances & am super aware of going little by little until a desired point is reached.

also, she is a non-smoker, so i did not want her to choke & then fear the stuff.
so tonight, she will be having more (increased amount). i am pretty confident it will work.
she is also treading carefully !!

try not to make her take big huuge puffs, as copa said I did exaggerate the point a bit on the smoke for that I apologise, however its not the same as braai smoke because you flooding the entire lung with smoke. I would suggest small puffs for a longer time

perhaps the more experienced users will shed some information. As for me my expertise runs out at this point good luck mate

@ copa

I was just being pedantic

 

[Grant]

ta, will convey that to her

 

[RiaX]

If you want to make a proper syrup try this:

http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/medical-use-of-cannabis-video/marijuana-tincture/

this is how they made it in the 1980s in hospital pharmacies (with a little more finesse of course as better materials and better equipment.

I gave it a quick read not an indepth one seems legit

 

[Grant]

actully read that last nite !

i think i will make a batch for her (i always enjoyed a bit of "kitchen chemistry").
thanks

 

[RiaX]

actully read that last nite !

i think i will make a batch for her (i always enjoyed a bit of "kitchen chemistry").
thanks

Lemme know how it goes im curious about it

 

[Grant]

update.

she reported very mild pain relief yesterday - this was after me supervising her smoking.

but as i reported, the "spliff" gave her was very small, about the length of a cigarette minus the length of the filter on a cigarette.
it was also very thin, less than half the thickness of a cigarette.
(each time she smoked some it was about 1cm worth of the spliff)
but as mentioned before, i did not want her to get stoned off her tits on the "maiden voyage".

so today i am going to give her another, normal size (well, the size of a cigarette), and have her increase the intake a little. (its all trial and error at this point).

 

[Mila]

Have you tried MSM from solal as an anti inflamitory?
It is a start to reduce the inflamed area.
Try brownies. If the weed work who cares.

I had chronic neck and shoulder pain for about 10 years. I ruined my stomach with prescription drugs.
Lucky I'm still youngish and do the hippy thing now. Yoga and hippy drugs. I have been pain free 95% of the last year.
If someone told me 2 years ago to smoke weed I would have jumped at it. Why not? If it works. It works. If it doesn't you last nothing.

 

[Grant]

Have you tried MSM from solal as an anti inflamitory?
It is a start to reduce the inflamed area.
Try brownies. If the weed work who cares.

I had chronic neck and shoulder pain for about 10 years. I ruined my stomach with prescription drugs.
Lucky I'm still youngish and do the hippy thing now. Yoga and hippy drugs. I have been pain free 95% of the last year.
If someone told me 2 years ago to smoke weed I would have jumped at it. Why not? If it works. It works. If it doesn't you last nothing.

no, she has not tried this product.
however, she had a heart attack earlier this year & had a "stent" inserted. according to the cardiologist the procedure was "text book" & she responed well to that, as with her meds thusfar.
i'll have a chat with him about this product.

thanx

 

[tRoN]

My husband broke his neck 2 years ago and was operated on a UCT academic where he contracted the flesh eating super bug Staphylococcus Aureus (UCT seems to be renowned for this). He also has chronic pain and has tried numerous pain killers. Most doctors won't prescribe anything stronger than tremacet and trepoline so he's on a cocktail of drugs.

Good luck trying to get pethidine or morphine prescribed for chronic pain. That's only going to happen if you're terminally ill.

Staphylococcus Aureus is not a flesh eating bacteria. It is a bacteria that colonises our skin so we all have it esp in our nose and bum crease. A break in the skin or reduced immunity will make the bug pathogenic.
In most cases it is easy to treat except for the methicillin resistant type.

 

[RiaX]

Staphylococcus Aureus is not a flesh eating bacteria. It is a bacteria that colonises our skin so we all have it esp in our nose and bum crease. A break in the skin or reduced immunity will make the bug pathogenic.
In most cases it is easy to treat except for the methicillin resistant type.

staph infections are the most difficult to treat now a days. Staph infection of the brain is a real pain.

they push 36 grams of cloxicillin IVI or vancomycin. A staph infection is no joke, if it becomes pathogenic you in trouble

 

[Wife]

Staphylococcus Aureus is not a flesh eating bacteria. It is a bacteria that colonises our skin so we all have it esp in our nose and bum crease. A break in the skin or reduced immunity will make the bug pathogenic.
In most cases it is easy to treat except for the methicillin resistant type.

Oh really? Why don't you tell him and the doctors why half of his back is missing? It liquified his flesh which was being sucked out with a vac pump. the only way they got rid of it was for him to be on xyvoxid intravenous 3 times a day for 4 weeks (at R2500 a drip). No other antibiotic worked (including cloxicillin or vancomycin). It took a year to get rid of it and a huge flesh graft to close the damage caused.