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killadoob

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I would assume because of brand name

In the supplement world? Ummm no, you don't enter a market with high prices and expect to establish yourself when the imported stuff is as good and cheaper.

http://www.supplementworld.co.za/review/product/list/id/2351/

Look at the comment section there, well priced? i think not.
http://www.supplementworld.co.za/optimum-nutrition-100-whey-gold-standard.html

200grams more and cheaper and that is imported. So you must know how much cipla's mark up must be on their good. Personally i will stick to evox and other local brands that are not trying rip us off.

Evox is 300 bucks. Cipla are basically saying evox are lying about their products and the contents. I somehow doubt evox need to use those types of attacks to get business :D. Price plus quality = happy customer.

http://www.supplementworld.co.za/review/product/list/id/2351/
 
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Cipla Nutrition

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Where can we buy cipla anyhow?

I could be wrong by post work out your muscles are craving just about any nutrient you can feed them yet cipla a medical company with studies to back up their claims have a product with a very low carb in take after a work out? Why would that be? Your post work out is extremely important and you want as many carbs and as many grams of protein as possible yet cipla doesn't see it like that or perhaps i am wrong.

http://www.supplementworld.co.za/cipla-nutrition-post-workout-recovery.html

Hi Killadoob

Thanks for taking the time to ask about our Post Workout Recover. As quoted: "Our revolutionary proprietary multi-saccharide Glycogen Synthesis Stack is specifically designed to replenish glycogen stores without having to ingest the large amount of carbohydrates normally found in other post-workout products."
We fully understand that some people do have higher tolerances for fast-acting post workout carbs, and these can easily be added in the form of juice, or some simple sugars. This is a cheap ingredient, that is easy to ad, but quite simply redundant...if not counterproductive in extreme cases(where it can lock in fat cells and stop fat loss all together).
However, after extensive R&D, we determined the perfect amount of carbs for maximum anabolic response. And that, is what you find in CN Post Workout Recover.

You'd be happy to hear that Cipla Nutrition is now available nationally in all Pick n Pay Hypers, Game Stores, Sportsmans Warehouse stores, as well as many other retailers listed here on our site: http://ciplanutrition.com/retailers.html

You're also very welcome to join our active #CNTribe community by Liking us on Facebook
( www.facebook.com/CiplaNutrition ) & following us on Twitter
( www.twitter.com/CiplaNutrition , @CiplaNutrition ).
We have a lot of fun events, lively conversations, and some cool competitions!

So we're looking forward to seeing you there!
All the best
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Hosehead

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It's no secret that ANY supplement made in SA actually contains what the label says it contains and the quality of the ingredients.
That's why I import all my supplements and sports supplements from the US or if I see them for sale in SA I'll buy- but not if they're overpriced. I'll hedge a bet I can go and take any four SA manufactured suppplements and have them SAB Standards lab tested and at least 50% will come back different from what is claimed. Sorry I've lost faith in SA supplement manufacturing. -except in the medical pharmaceuticals
 

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As much as I respect your research and R&D...I kinda side here with real world results from some of the top physique (NOT bodybuilding - though they following the same principle) athletes in the world.

And this to ingest between 30g-50g of simple carbs - best is dextrose (basic sugar) - post weight training along with an equal amount of protein. This amount of carbs is needed for adequate insulin response which drives protein and BCAA synthesis into the muscles.

How your revolutionary product achieves this without an adequate amount of carbs...I have no idea.

@Hosehead

I'll take that bet with SSN and Nutritech :)
 

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Hi again Killadoob

We are not focused on what other brands have in their containers, or what they do not have. What we can tell you with CERTAINTY, is that what we say is on our label, is in the container - and is the highest quality available. We know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to reduce prices further - and still allow for retailer mark-up, specials etc. - without cutting corners or compromising product quality (as some other brands do). These are aspects we are not willing to compromise on. You deserve quality, and that is what we offer and stand for, from medication to sports nutrition.

Here's what we suggest:
We can see that your main consideration is price. And based on price, you are sold on a brand, which you feel is good enough.
So, we will remove the issue of price. And we would invite you to taste and experience the quality difference the CN 100% Whey Protein offers.
Please provide us with your contact details via PM, and we will get in contact. We will provide you with a sample of our 100% Whey Protein Powder to try.
Then you can report back on your experience of our taste and quality, as well as your results. We are confident that this will not only erase any doubts that you might have, but also be of great benefit to anyone wondering where to spend their hard-earned cash.

Looking forward to hearing from you
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In the supplement world? Ummm no, you don't enter a market with high prices and expect to establish yourself when the imported stuff is as good and cheaper.

Well if you have the backing of a powerful pharmaceutical company you bound to get people to buy it simply because it says cipla
 

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please send me the Medical Control Council registration number for these products.
an opel is made in germany but it doesnt make it a merc...
 

killadoob

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As much as I respect your research and R&D...I kinda side here with real world results from some of the top physique (NOT bodybuilding - though they following the same principle) athletes in the world.

And this to ingest between 30g-50g of simple carbs - best is dextrose (basic sugar) - post weight training along with an equal amount of protein. This amount of carbs is needed for adequate insulin response which drives protein and BCAA synthesis into the muscles.

How your revolutionary product achieves this without an adequate amount of carbs...I have no idea.

@Hosehead

I'll take that bet with SSN and Nutritech :)

I will take that bet with evox as well.
 

Cipla Nutrition

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As much as I respect your research and R&D...I kinda side here with real world results from some of the top physique (NOT bodybuilding - though they following the same principle) athletes in the world.

And this to ingest between 30g-50g of simple carbs - best is dextrose (basic sugar) - post weight training along with an equal amount of protein. This amount of carbs is needed for adequate insulin response which drives protein and BCAA synthesis into the muscles.

How your revolutionary product achieves this without an adequate amount of carbs...I have no idea.

Below a response from our Head of Formulations:

Carbohydrate are not the only ingredient that can stimulate an effective Insulin response. “Glycogenic synthesis stack” contains ingredients that are used in people who are type 2 diabetics, that suffer from insulin resistance. The correct Amino Acid Profile will also contain the right amount of glycogenic amino acids.

A glucogenic amino acid is an amino acid that can be converted into glucose through gluconeogenesis. The production of glucose from glucogenic amino acids involves these amino acids' being converted to alpha keto acids and then to glucose, with both processes occurring in the liver. This mechanism predominates during catabolysis, rising as fasting and starvation increase in severity.

It’s all about the formulation and the quality of the ingredients. Remember Insulin is the key that unlocks the cell to to receive the (muscle building and restoring) amino acids, not carbohydrate. Ordinary carbohydrates are only used by novices who doe not really understand biochemistry.

As a matter of interest, here is a list of four things that raise insulin, and how to eliminate them.

Stress (Cortisol):
When a person is exposed to chronic stress, their adrenal glands release a constant stream of the hormone cortisol. Cortisol tells the liver to release sugar into the blood stream in preparation for fighting or fleeing, which then causes the pancreas to release insulin to bring blood sugar levels back down. When this happens on a constant basis, the elevated insulin stores fat from the food you take in. If you can't eliminate the stress from your job, try yoga, Pilates, or breathing exercises; these have a definite calming effect on the central nervous system.

Artificial Sweeteners:
People think that by replacing sugar with Splenda and Sweet'n'Low they will be able to curb insulin levels. Many studies, however, have found the hormonal response to both sweeteners to be similar (if not the same). In addition to raised insulin, artificial sweeteners have been linked to chronic, degenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's and Cancer. So, if you must use a sweetener, go with the real thing. Even though you'll still get releases of insulin, you will avoid a host of toxic, carcinogenic chemicals present in fake sugars.

Chewing Gum:
In addition to the artificial sweeteners present in most brands of chewing gum, the simple act of constant chewing may cause insulin levels to rise. This is due to the constant release of saliva from the mouth's salivary glands. The body is expecting to receive food and nutrients, so it releases insulin in anticipation of the digestive work it must perform. This backfires when no food enters the stomach and insulin levels stay up.

Caffeine:
Caffeine is known to spike insulin even when taken black or unsweetened. This may have to do with its stimulating effects on the nervous system, which causes stress and initiates the release of cortisol. There are also many toxic compounds in coffee itself, which overtaxes the liver. Be sure to limit coffee, tea, soda, and chocolate (which contains some caffeine) to a few cups/ounces per day to keep insulin levels in check.

Though these factors don't effect the insulin levels of everyone equally, they are important things to consider when attempting to lose weight and maintain health.
 

killadoob

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I dunno, i have read your three important meals of the day are breakfast pre and post work out. There is also mounting evidence that a protein/carbs shake before bed is the way to go because your body will utilize it but you need to obviously use slow digesting protein, egg protein or casien.

i have there is an issue whether carbs should be included before bed or just protein but at the moment, i hit a protein carbs shake morning, pre, during and post work out then before bed time. So i am either going to get fat or build muscle :D. Gonna see shortly.

Either way i am surprized you do not have a product that has a high carb and protein content or i have not seen it. I noticed your intra product has very little carbs as well are you basically saying carbs do not fuel us because you seem think protein is more important.

Wow your intra product has 0 carbs :eek:. What on earth is going on. no carbs for your work out and then very little after. What exactly is giving us energy during out work out. wow. I am going to go through this product range and see whats what but right now it seems a bit silly but having said that i am no expert but i do believe carbs are very important to gain muscle.

You actually do not have a product with a high protein and carb content, why is that? we are not all home workers who can eat our carbs easily so drinking them is just easier. Regardless of your studies you should have a product that is very popular.

I am using evox formidable mass, high carbs and protein content. http://www.supplementworld.co.za/evox-5xl-formidable-mass.html

Check the reviews from real world situation. you don't have a product to rival that. Are you more focused on weight loss and lean mass?
 
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Cipla Nutrition

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...the imported stuff is as good and cheaper.
http://www.supplementworld.co.za/review/product/list/id/2351/

http://www.supplementworld.co.za/optimum-nutrition-100-whey-gold-standard.html

200grams more and cheaper and that is imported./[/url]

Killadoob

TO CLARIFY ON PRICING

We just wanted to clarify that the above links you posted about pricing are INCORRECT.
Please make sure of your information before posting.

The Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold Standard link you posted, is reflecting the pricing of the 900g tub. So you get 900g for R459. So your defamatory statements are untrue - and you have been reported for this.
If you insist to pursue further defamatory statements, please include your real name and contact details with your post - so we can sort your issues out in a civilized manner over the phone, rather than have you broadcast lies to the public. If you insist on posting further lies, we will take the necessary legal steps against you - to protect the public from your misinformation.

So in short, if you did pull a comparative chart from the site you posted, here is what the pricing would look like:
Cipla Nutrition - 100% Whey Protein - 2kg - R499
Evox - 100% Whey Protein - 2kg - R549
SSN - 100% Whey Protein - 2kg - R539
Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey Gold Standard - 2.2kg - R889

We are including a screenshot to confirm this. So as you can see, Cipla Nutrition not only offers the best quality your money can buy (manufactured in the same conditions we produce prescription medicine in), we ALSO offer the BEST PRICING.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/606/screenshot20130511at922.png
 

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Reported me for what? 5lb is 2.2 kilo's bru, yours is 2kg. O Please look at the picture zoomed in, the optimum nutrition is 5lb/2.2 kilo's where do you get 900 grams? I would happily apologize if i was wrong and i was putting a 900gram tub against a 2kg bag but have a closer look. Read my post on page one, if i had something against you surely i would have gone on the attack from the get go? If you look at properly and also see 2.273 gram i would like an apology please. If it turns out it is a 900 i will glad apologize but could someone other than cipla dude look at the two links and tell me if i am comparing 900g to 2kg.

I was just using an example of an imported item costing less than yours and it is a well known brand as well. It is 2.2kg unless i am mistaken but when i zoom into the picture i see 5lb/2.273 grams and perhaps you need to ask someone but that is 2.2 kilos basically.

Instead of getting so defensive you should be taking feedback from me/anyone and not reporting me because you don't see clearly. I stand my two links and i stand by the optimum nutirition being 2.2kg's, your 2kg. My objective was not to single out your product.

Now i am not attacking you i was pointing out you manufacture locally as far as i understand(i may be mistaken) yet you are more expensive than imported goods.

Now i will gladly apologize if the tub is 900 but when i zoom it clearly says 2.273 grams. So please perhaps a proper look at my links and stop being so defensive. I don't understand why a locally manufactured product would be more than imported even if it is cipla making it. You said we could come visit your factory, now i may have mistakenly thought it was the manufacturing and perhaps you were meaning distribution.
 
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So your defamatory statements are untrue - and you have been reported for this.
If you insist to pursue further defamatory statements, please include your real name and contact details with your post - so we can sort your issues out in a civilized manner over the phone, rather than have you broadcast lies to the public. If you insist on posting further lies, we will take the necessary legal steps against you - to protect the public from your misinformation.

Nice way to win customers. Big Test-toster-on fuelled Bully Boy act is not the way to work this crowd. Throwing in some feedback of your supposed "professional athlete" users who get free products to testify in their first posts is not the way to steamroll in. You imply that just because you manufacture your products in pharmaceutal conditions you are different from all the rest and that the rest of the manufacturers whip their connoctions in some fly infested kitchen. Maybe I will organise a random sample of your products to be ingredient quality tested in a US lab and post some of the results publically on this forum. You going to threaten to sue me too :whistling:
But in any case this annoys me the most. It's like Our local Olive Oil Cartels

Now i am not attacking you i was pointing out you manufacture locally as far as i understand(i may be mistaken) yet you are more expensive than imported goods
 
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marine1

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Based on the way business is done here and the fact that gvt departments are so useless, I have no faith in any suplements manufactured here.
I would rather go for an American brand. At least they are governed by stricter controls.
 

killadoob

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Based on the way business is done here and the fact that gvt departments are so useless, I have no faith in any suplements manufactured here.
I would rather go for an American brand. At least they are governed by stricter controls.

I really doubt guys like evox and some of the bigger names are dodgy, can you imagine you spend millions marketing and supplying your product only for it to proven rubbish. Look mostly supplements make claims they cannot really live up to but the products like protein/carbs shakes etc should be legit. I see no reason for them to lie, they want to sell their product. If it isn't good there are 20 other brands people will turn to. i don't buy usn because people say it's shyte. So that shows you a crap product will get a bad rep and sales will drop. Not really ideal for any business.

Seems like a big risk to take, Why lie? If your product does not live up to your claims it will not be bought. Now the chinese stuff i would stay well clear of. Let's remember the importing is very expensive, every shipped 5kg from the US? Must be around 200-300 just for shipping unless you take that 3-4 month option depending on certain factors. I go through 4.5 kgs of evox a week. So i would need to import 20kg a month from the US. Would cost more than the evox just for shipping i think LOL but i could be mistaken i am more than likely exgaerating of course but how much would 20kg's be to import i wonder?

So mr cipla man where is my apology, have you had your eyes tested. Hopefully your products are better than the people who try market them because you are terrible at your job. Seems an odd way for a cipla representative to react. Considering you don't know how to use the zoom function and claim i am this and that you should perhaps let someone with a bit more class to do cipla's bidding on these forums.
 
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I would happily apologize if i was wrong and i was putting a 900gram tub against a 2kg bag but have a closer look.
I was just using an example of an imported item costing less than yours and it is a well known brand as well. It is 2.2kg unless i am mistaken but when i zoom into the picture i see 5lb/2.273 grams and perhaps you need to ask someone but that is 2.2 kilos basically.

Now i will gladly apologize if the tub is 900 but when i zoom it clearly says 2.273 grams. So please perhaps a proper look at my links and stop being so defensive. I don't understand why a locally manufactured product would be more than imported even if it is cipla making it. You said we could come visit your factory, now i may have mistakenly thought it was the manufacturing and perhaps you were meaning distribution.

Killadoob
We will accept your apology.

You see, the image you are referring to is a place-holder image - and what you failed to do in your link, was to select the QUANTITY, and thus the pricing you see is automatically for the 900g product.
PLEASE SELECT THE 2200g. And you will see the pricing for the 2200g is R889.
For this reason, the information you posted is incorrect and your statements are unfounded and defamatory.

We understand that your feelings were based on a misunderstanding, but we would appreciate an apology and removal of defamatory statements with regards to it.

And then, in a spirit of friendship, we would still like to have you taste and experience the quality difference the CN 100% Whey Protein offers.
Please provide us with your contact details via PM, and we will get in contact. We will provide you with a sample of our 100% Whey Protein Powder to try.
Then you can report back on your experience of our taste and quality, as well as your results.

Looking forward to hearing from you
#TeamCN
 
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