Cliff - Right or Wrong?

Did Gareth Cliff overstep the line in terms of how far one can go on-air?

  • No

    Votes: 85 76.6%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 5 4.5%

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 18.9%
  • Total voters
    111
GavinMannion said:
Absolutely not, this is a lie peddled by religions to keep people in check.

The most atheist nations are also arguably the most moral (Scandinavian)

Religion has given us very few good things in it's history
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Just from my experience: The religious people are definitely less likely to smoke/get p!ssed every weekend/take drugs because God guides them ~ it definitely makes it easier to resist these temptations. They are also far more likely to be kind, forgiving and understanding of someone else's problem. That's just from my experience of meeting Christians and atheists alike (who generally do the opposite of the above)

While I haven't had an intensely personal experience with God (yet), I've seen people literally transformed into a total different character because of their experience with God. They've become mentally stronger and more likable.

Although I agree with SoulSnatcher...this reaction a step too far but I'm not really bothered by some religious nutter because there are definitely some atheist nutters as well :)
 
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Soulsnatcher said:
How did you come to know of morals? Did you have a religious background? Did you just for e.g. decide on your own that to sleep with someone else's wife is wrong? for e.g. ofcourse...
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yes, that's what i was referring to earlier :)
how do we know what is right and what is wrong? we know this today mostly cos of religion. else how would we know?
 
Soulsnatcher said:
How did you come to know of morals? Did you have a religious background? Did you just for e.g. decide on your own that to sleep with someone else's wife is wrong? for e.g. ofcourse...
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The golden rule has evolutionary benefits in human society.
 
mercurial said:
yes, that's what i was referring to earlier :)
how do we know what is right and what is wrong? we know this today mostly cos of religion. else how would we know?
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Absolutely agreed... took the words right out of my mind
 
mercurial said:
how did u create a poll? last time i tried it didn't work and bwana wasn't willing to explain it to me :mad:
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O/T: My apologies - only mods can create polls.

This restriction is in place for numerous reasons and for me center around the forums handling of polls. Once created it is difficult to remove a poll without deleting the thread. Secondly, there is a one poll per thread limit - if someone sticks a garbage poll in the thread that's it - as per my first point it cant easily be deleted. :o
 
bwana said:
O/T: My apologies - only mods can create polls.

This restriction is in place for numerous reasons and for me center around the forums handling of polls. Once created it is difficult to remove a poll without deleting the thread. Secondly, there is a one poll per thread limit - if someone sticks a garbage poll in the thread that's it - as per my first point it cant easily be deleted. :o
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ok cool
 
Dominic Rooney said:
Just from my experience: The religious people are definitely less likely to smoke/get p!ssed every weekend/take drugs because God guides them ~ it definitely makes it easier to resist these temptations. They are also far more likely to be kind, forgiving and understanding of someone else's problem. That's just from my experience of meeting Christians and atheists alike (who generally do the opposite of the above)
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Does religion help with the temptation to enslave a race, stone a women, hand out lashes, honour kill, commit terrorism, throw acid at women, beat your wife, abuse children?

I would say your experience is limited.

I quit smoking and don't take drugs while my religious friend does.. Proof :D
 
It is in the bible however Gavin that you can't sleep with anyone before you wed... so sleeping with kids of age which are obviously not married is wrong according to bible
 
GavinMannion said:
Does religion help with the temptation to enslave a race, stone a women, hand out lashes, honour kill, commit terrorism, throw acid at women, beat your wife, abuse children?

I would say your experience is limited.

I quit smoking and don't take drugs while my religious friend does.. Proof :D
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Yes I know there are such lines in the Bible but my local priest sat with me for 1.5-2hours going over them and really enlightened me. It's too long to post here and I can't remember it all, I do however suggest if you have any queries, go to a Priest and he'll definitely sort you out. Unless of course we have some deeply religious people on this forum.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you over experiences because that really is pointless. It's just from my perspective.
 
Pitbull said:
I moered him in a night club once, he's rude arrogant and bloody annoying
got what was due to him ;)
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:D I envy you, man! I would love to get such an opportunity myself.

Off topic: I see you are on STERIODS. What is that exactly?
 
Dominic Rooney said:
Just from my experience: The religious people are definitely less likely to smoke/get p!ssed every weekend/take drugs because God guides them ~ it definitely makes it easier to resist these temptations. They are also far more likely to be kind, forgiving and understanding of someone else's problem. That's just from my experience of meeting Christians and atheists alike (who generally do the opposite of the above)
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Just from my experience: religious people are more likely to be pedophiles.

What an utterly stupid and pointless way to make an argument.
 
Soulsnatcher said:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Local/0,,2-1225-1242_2232721,00.html

An opinion here would be greatly appreciated. Even, I, as a Christian think this uproar and reaction to his morning show was a bit over the top...

Maybe a fine and slap on the wrist sort of punishment to Cliff would suffice but only due to his insensitivity to his listener, who took the time to write in to the station penning her concerns...

Anyone? Antowan perhaps?
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I think he perhaps chose his words wrong. It is a purely philosophical debate. You would have to agree even as a religious person that should God be affected by such an action he could be called "petty" from a human perspective.

If however God tells you not to do it you shouldn't from a believer's perspective. Not because it may affect God emotionally (being God puts Him above such feeble things such as emotion when one thinks about it) but purely because God told you not to do it. Simple.

A non believer naming things after gods, knowing it can cause insult should somehow be held accountable even if it is by being despised by believers. It is their right to do so, but not beyond the law. I don't think it should be deemed a criminal offence though and the repurcussions should only be social.

In this case (as I understand) the woman who allowed the kids to name the teddy was a believer herself. I think it should have been considered an error in judgement without any repurcussions be they social/civil or criminal.

Gareth did not communicate the philosophical nature of his argument.

He is not in error in my opinion. I do however think if he is worth his salt in proper debate he would allow this listener on his show for a proper debate.

:D
 
@Dominic, I have 'experienced' enough religion for a lifetime thanks...

When a religious person manages to prove his point of view against overwhelming scientific evidence I will start treating it with more respect, until then it gets the same reverance as The Easter Bunny.

Either way moving closer to the original point, how can it be wrong to blaspheme any more?
 
Soulsnatcher said:
It is in the bible however Gavin that you can't sleep with anyone before you wed... so sleeping with kids of age which are obviously not married is wrong according to bible
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Source please.

In the middle ages it was common for people to sleep with each other before getting married - with the sanction of the church, even. If a baby didn't result, the pairing was deemed to be a bad match and other spouses were sought. For the peasants, marriage was only something that occured after the union proved fertile.

It was only later that sex before marriage was regarded as a sin.
 
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