Cliff - Right or Wrong?

[Sweetlicks]

Ag please, I would NEVER sign any petition that reached me by email, most likely would never sign any petition at all; the point I was trying to make is I that am surprised how far it has gone with these loonies now trying to have GC ousted! What are they so afraid of???

 

[Valis]

Did you just for e.g. decide on your own that to sleep with someone else's wife is wrong? for e.g. ofcourse...

As a matter of fact yes I did. I developed my own set of principles based on the basic premise: "Do no harm". I think about what effect my actions would have on others people, animals, plants, the biosphere, directly and indirectly, then I carry out my actions based on not causing harm. (Mentally, emotionally or physically).

 

[neio]

People are starting to assert their power using technology, I would have thought that being a activist website for cheaper telecoms in SA we would be supportive of that?

Personally I dont care if he's fired or not, there's plenty of DJ's out there who'll gladly take his place, maybe Antowan can even apply for the job.

 

[chiskop]

I dunno, I would have thought that there would be very few on an activist website would would be in favour of restricting the right to freedom of speech even if you disagree with what he's saying.

 

[neio]

I dunno, I would have thought that there would be very few on an activist website would would be in favour of restricting the right to freedom of speech even if you disagree with what he's saying.

He already said he believes god is petty, how is a boycott of him after that fact restricting freedom of speech?

 

[Valis]

Ok, one more thing: People can believe whatever they want to believe as long as they don't try and force their beliefs onto others. If GC or anyone says something that offends anyone because of their beliefs that is their problem.

(This is fun )

 

[chiskop]

He already said he believes god is petty, how is a boycott of him after that fact restricting freedom of speech?

It has a chilling effect on anyone expressing their opinion in future.

Is he not allowed to say something that contradicts your beliefs?

 

[neio]

It has a chilling effect on anyone expressing their opinion in future.

And if you're like him you wont give a damn and say it anyway, right?

People get fired and people get hired, thats the way economy's work.

Look at Maas, he was hired by Sondag after Rapport fired him.

 

[Beancounter]

Bit of a latecomer here but I wonder if anyone spots the difference in the highlighted items from the constitution re freedom of speech:

"The right in subsection (1) does not extend to *

1. propaganda for war;
2. incitement of imminent violence; or
3. advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm."

Can you choose your race, ethnicity or gender? No.
Can you choose your religion? Yes
Are bases race, ethnicity or gender concrete facts? Yes
Are the bases for religion concrete facts? No

Hate speech is unnecessary but there is no logical reason why blasphemy should be such a big crime - its a bit like criminalising the calling of somebody stupid for believing in Father Christmas (or calling Santa a fat b******d). There is no more evidence for God than for Santa.

 

[GougedEye]

Blasphemy <> Hate Speech.

Saying that god does not exist or that mary was not a virgin but a fornicator = Blasphemy
Saying that people who believe in god are misinformed, decieved or delusional <> Hate Speach
Calling for the killing of or punishment of people who believe in god = hate speach.

 

[GougedEye]

He already said he believes god is petty, how is a boycott of him after that fact restricting freedom of speech?

Ahh. The old He has Freedom of Speech but he must accept the consequences of that speech argument.

It's like saying that people in Russia during Stalin's rule had the Freedom to say he was a murderous midgit with delusions of godhhood, but they also had to accept the bullet in the head that followed aproximately 15 seconds later.

When you try and get someone fired for saying something you don'y like, you are trying to restrict freedom of speach.

 

[Beancounter]

Blasphemy <> Hate Speech.

Saying that god does not exist or that mary was not a virgin but a fornicator = Blasphemy
Saying that people who believe in god are misinformed, decieved or delusional <> Hate Speach
Calling for the killing of or punishment of people who believe in god = hate speach.

First point - by definition (the problem lies in the fact that blasphemy is seen as "wrong"), although as Mary was married "a fornicator" is a bit strong!
Second point - I disagree. If I say you are misinformed because you believe in Santa, is that hate speech?
Third point - absolutely, but then telling people they will be sent to eternal damnation for being an atheist should also be seen as hate speech.

 

[neio]

Ahh. The old He has Freedom of Speech but he must accept the consequences of that speech argument.

It's like saying that people in Russia during Stalin's rule had the Freedom to say he was a murderous midgit with delusions of godhhood, but they also had to accept the bullet in the head that followed aproximately 15 seconds later.

When you try and get someone fired for saying something you don'y like, you are trying to restrict freedom of speach.

Lol, really, thats really your argument?

Puhlease cry me a river and try another one.

He said it, he must take the responsibility of his comments, if people are calling for him to be fired because he offended his "customers" then they have a right to do so, what about their freedom of speech, huh?

Libtards repent, your Politically Correct point of view is coming back to bite you in the arse, frikken big time, I love it.

 

[chiskop]

He said it, he must take the responsibility of his comments, if people are calling for him to be fired because he offended his "customers" then they have a right to do so, what about their freedom of speech, huh?

How does Cliff's expressing his beliefs affect his "customers" right to free speech?

 

[noxibox]

what about their freedom of speech, huh?

They offend me, so they're not allowed to speak.

 

[ajax]

I have no idea to be honest. For some reason my posts where considered offensive and childish even though they were basically just quotes from the Bible. I really dont think I was attacking anything, simply pointing out the information he asked me for.

W1z4rd, there is a difference between giving information (i.e. quoting the Bible) and adding a very uninformed, childish interpretation of that information that, it seems, you obtained from a Bible bashing website.

 

[neio]

How does Cliff's expressing his beliefs affect his "customers" right to free speech?

In no way at all, so we are in agreement, his "customers" are free to call for him being fired.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

In no way at all, so we are in agreement, his "customers" are free to call for him being fired.

They're not paying for a service, they're free to change the station if they don't like him or what he says.

I don't like him either, doesn't mean that I must call for him to be fired because he expresses a different opinion to mine. I'd simply change the station when he's on.

 

[icyrus]

In no way at all, so we are in agreement, his "customers" are free to call for him being fired.

Is it ok to fire someone on the say so of a vocal minority? What about those who don't care or support what he said? Are you taking a poll?

 

[neio]

Is it ok to fire someone on the say so of a vocal minority? What about those who don't care or support what he said? Are you taking a poll?

And here we come to the crux of the matter, if the people who are calling for him to be fired are a minority the 5FM station manager will ignore them and keep him on as a DJ.

Thats the beauty of a democracy.

Just to throw this out there, does anybody think Don Imus should have been fired for calling a black netball team's members "Nappy headed ho's"?