CO2 emissions tax

[justplain]

http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5208219

now while I am all for reduced emissions and better economy...please tell me how paying a CO2 tax is going to help the environment? unless it's deters you from buying a particular car because of the associated CO2 tax.......but I dont really see that stopping people who can afford it, for example and Audi S4...if they can afford the car,they can afford the CO2 tax...

where is the tax going to go? planting trees? improving road infrastructure?...... help pay for Eskoms blunders?

would you pay the tax every time you license your car?

 

[BCO]

Agreed. I think a better implementation of this law would have been to incentivize the purchasing of low emissions vehicles. So let's say if you buy a car that emits less than 120g/km you get some kind pf rebate. Carrot rather than stick.

 

[xrapidx]

New way for the government to make money.

Soon you'll be paying a for a license to wear shoes made of rubber.

 

[Gaz{M}]

This is purely to make revenue for the government as xrx said. I see no plan at all that this tax will specifically go to offsetting the carbon emissions.

Realistically, a 5% tax on a mid-range saloon will be about R20 000. Nothing to write home about if you can afford a R400k car.

It is just one more way the ANC government is mugging those people with jobs.

 

[justplain]

This is purely to make revenue for the government as xrx said. I see no plan at all that this tax will specifically go to offsetting the carbon emissions.

Realistically, a 5% tax on a mid-range saloon will be about R20 000. Nothing to write home about if you can afford a R400k car.

It is just one more way the ANC government is mugging those people with jobs.

exactly..I cant see how this helps the environment....it's just another tax to fund the coffers.

 

[RPG_Fan]

Just wait, we will also be paying toll fees on new constructed roads. Pay per km you drive. In future we will also pay per breath we take since air will be a scarce resource.

 

[TestMate]

The irony (or stupidity) of all this "low CO2" bul***** is that an internal combustion engine when tuned to it's best is emiting CO2 at it's maximum (and water theoreticaly if fitted with 3 cat's).

It's a mechanic's reality: the better tuned the engine the Highest the CO2.
CO2 is converted to C and O2 by TREES (and other greenery).
The (C) carbon is retained and O2 is released in the air so fat useles government cats can waste it for all of us.

Go ahead cut another tree...
Carbon dating anyone?

By the way average new car with cat's emits around 14.5% to 15% CO2
Old technology ones - up to 14%, the rest is unburned fuel and other stuff (to keep it short here)

I agree, the whole climate change thing is completely misunderstood and we are taken for ride big time. (again)

 

[boramk]

It's called internalising an externality.
And yes, aggregatly, it will help.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Ok, so they're just adding ANOTHER tax to the purchase of a vehicle....

Typical damn guavamint... ffs... another reason I never buy a new car...

Although, come to think of it, something tells me in short order they'll add this as a tax to all vehicle sales, new or 2nd hand....

 

[scotty777]

hmmm... so they want us to drive less? For some reason I just don't think this is going to work.... lets take JHB, it's a conurbation (a massive farking city), so even me, the humble student that I am, has to travel A LOT to get certain things, and what not (I sometimes do deliveries in Town, and km's start stacking up).

What I'm trying to get at is that in our country, trying to stop us form driving just can't work. This is stupid... unless you car pool (which is unlikely), you will still drive the same. We aren't Japan or London where that roads are flat, potholes are non-existent and bicycles are reining supreme.

Well, if they do tax my car, I really hope it's on the cheap because otherwise I'm gonna be walking or riding a bike 10-20km's.

 

[boramk]

No, this is supposed to push forward people buying cars that emits less CO2, get it?
And also, more petrol, less diesel. Some people actually traveling less.

So, in the end, it does work.

 

[BCO]

No, this is supposed to push forward people buying cars that emits less CO2, get it?
And also, more petrol, less diesel. Some people actually traveling less.

So, in the end, it does work.

Yes, but a better implementation of this tax would be to use the revenue generated from a tax on vehicles that emit high CO2 to subsidise vehicles that emit low CO2. So the guy who buys a Range Rover pays an extra R20k in taxes, and the guy who buys a 107 gets a R20k rebate.

 

[scotty777]

Yes, but a better implementation of this tax would be to use the revenue generated from a tax on vehicles that emit high CO2 to subsidise vehicles that emit low CO2. So the guy who buys a Range Rover pays an extra R20k in taxes, and the guy who buys a 107 gets a R20k rebate.

Or use the revenue to plant trees (making jobs), funding new research in alternative fuels (science etc), create sustainable gardens in the cities...

 

[xrapidx]

Or use the revenue to plant trees (making jobs), funding new research in alternative fuels (science etc), create sustainable gardens in the cities...

Nope - it'll go to funding the minsters big, expensive V8(10) Mercedes.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Thats precisely what it'll be used for..

It will have nothing to do with saving the environment.. its just a new revenue stream for the guavamint to get from the "rich" people.

 

[icyrus]

This is pointless without proper yearly roadworthy and emissions tests for all vehicles.

 

[Sensorei]

"Eish Zuma, don't chase the whites away yet baas. We must first take all their money and then make them leave SA."
"Eish Juliass, you are a clevah leadah. We first make them poor and then they can go."

 

[Thugscub]

All bring vaseline and bend over.

 

[justplain]

maybe if we had a fully integrated and functional public transport system...less people would drive and it wouldnt be such an issue(reduce co2 footprint). however....south africa is a big place and things are spread out, so ja, you'll still need a car and you'll get taxed whether you use it once a week or everyday...so it wont necessarily deter people with bucks.
pretend I have an R8 but only drive it for 2hours once a week (crazy I know), vs a dude in a delivery van who's blasting around all week. surely he'll emit far more CO2 in his van than the R8 would...in that week
but I'd get charge through the roof for the CO2 emissions on the R8, but get off relatively scotch free in the delivery van.....simply taxing you on the value and engine size isnt good enough. it'd need to be a combination of C02 emissions and actual usage/distance traveled...right? and as everybody has mentioned...WHERE IS THIS TAX GOING?

 

[Paul_S]

Fortunately this new CO2 tax won't affect me as I'll never buy a new vehicle now that the prices are so ridiculously high.

To all the people who are still going to buy new vehicles:
Thank you very much for paying the tax for me.

Still makes me angry that the government are going out of their way to think up ways to screw every last cent out of the working class.