Coffin assault trial

Funny how murderers get bail for R500, yet two guys putting another in a coffin are denied bail. SA Democracy Double Standards. Shows the racism going even in the justice system. How can this magistrate tell its racially motivated? It was a trespasser. Oh, thats how. Whites on the other end.
 
Funny how murderers get bail for R500, yet two guys putting another in a coffin are denied bail. SA Democracy Double Standards. Shows the racism going even in the justice system. How can this magistrate tell its racially motivated? It was a trespasser. Oh, thats how. Whites on the other end.

I agree with you in general, but in this case, did these two not recall their bail applications themselves for fear of safety?
 
I agree with you in general, but in this case, did these two not recall their bail applications themselves for fear of safety?

Not sure. But reading the article on ewn. That means whenever you catch a trespasser on your property and deal with him/her. You're going to be a racist.
 
Is the judge making up his own rules? What does racism and the motive have to do with bail?
Bail should be given if they aren't a flight risk as simple as that.
 
Is the judge making up his own rules? What does racism and the motive have to do with bail?
Bail should be given if they aren't a flight risk as simple as that.

...and to make matters worse the trial hasn't even started yet but the judge seems to already have made mind up about motive and that a crime has been committed. If I was their attorney I would just let this magistrate run with it ... he is doing a great job providing ammo for an appeal based on an unfair trial
No wonder crims in SA are not afraid of our justice system
 
Prison is better than a coffin - ANC

Middelburg - The ANC in Mpumalanga says justice has been served after the two men who allegedly forced Victor Mlotshwa into a coffin and threatened to pour petrol over him were denied bail in the Middelburg Magistrate’s Court.

Magistrate Jongilizwe Dumehleli delivered his judgment in the case of Theo Jackson and Willem Oosthuizen on Thursday morning.

"We want them to feel how it feels to be in a coffin. Prison is better than a coffin," ANC regional chairperson Speedy Mashilo said.

"We are very satisfied with the judgment and how the judge [magistrate] handled the case. We hope this will serve as a lesson to others."

In his judgment, Dumehleli dealt with evidence presented to him by the State and the defence.

He said he had considered Jackson and Oosthuizen's personal circumstances, and he had to ensure that justice was done.

'It's good they will be spending Christmas in jail'

He rejected the men's version that Mlotshwa had stolen copper cables.

He said it didn't appear that the two accused owned a funeral parlour, and it concerned him that they had a coffin.

The gallery was packed to capacity with members of the public, ANC supporters, and journalists.

After judgment was delivered, ANC members danced and sang outside court, with some saying that "it is good they will be spending Christmas in jail".

During their last appearance, Jackson and Oosthuizen told the court that they had merely wanted to teach Mlotshwa a lesson.

In both their affidavits, they said that their actions were "negligible" and that they did not mean any harm.

They also requested the court to grant them bail and said they would make R5 000 available.

They assured the court that they would not interfere with witnesses or influence Mlotshwa.

Charges of kidnapping and assault

During their two-day bail application proceedings, the court heard that Mlotshwa was kicked all over his body and that his hands were tied with a cable.

Investigating officer Detective Constable Dimakatso Bahula told the court that, on August 17, Mlotshwa left his place of residence and noticed two Land Cruisers following him.

She said the bakkies stopped and the two men assaulted Mlotshwa, and kicked him without any explanation.

Jackson and Oosthuizen had previously abandoned a bail bid.

They are facing charges of kidnapping and assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm.

The alleged assault of Mlotshwa took place at the JM de Beer Boerdery, next to the Komati power station in Mpumalanga.

In the 20-second video of the incident, which was posted on YouTube on November 7, one man, speaking in Afrikaans, forces Mlotshwa into a coffin and threatens to pour petrol over him.

News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/prison-is-better-than-a-coffin-anc-20161208
 
If it was two black guys that did this they would be out on R500 bail. If they were arrested in the first place.
 
If it was two black guys that did this they would be out on R500 bail. If they were arrested in the first place.

doesn't matter if its rape, murder, they'd get milk and cookies and would be treated to a shower, given clean clothes.
 
Judge should have granted these cretins bail! Street justice is swift and permanent... and FREE!
Street justice is exactly what got these guys into trouble. Your thinking is pretty much the same as theirs.
 
Seriously, though, what is the actual evidence of this being racially motivated? Did they use racial terms in the YouTube clip (I haven't seen it)?

We have been told that in brutal farm attacks, home invasions, etc where the perpetrators were black and the victims white, there is no racial motivation as there is no evidence specifically indicating that, so if in this case there is no evidence specifically indicating anything other than a distasteful attempt at vigilante justice, why the opposite assumption? Unless, of course, there is obvious derogatory language in the clip?
 
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