Concerns over ZTE and Huawei security

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Soooooo nobody thought if it before?\

I've worked there and even ourselves didn't have smartphones from our own company...
 
crackersa said:
bullschit, you can't tell me the Chinese govt has no hand in these companies at all?
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During the 1980s, Chinese government tried to modernize the country's underdeveloped telecommunications infrastructure. A core component of the telecommunications network was telephone exchange switches, and in the late 1980s several Chinese research groups endeavored to acquire and develop the technology, usually through joint ventures with foreign companies.

Ren Zhengfei, a former deputy director of the People's Liberation Army engineering corp, founded Huawei in 1987 in Shenzhen. Rather than relying on joint ventures to secure technology transfers from foreign companies, which were often reluctant to transfer their most advanced technologies to Chinese firms, Ren sought to reverse engineer foreign technologies with local researchers. At a time when all of China's telecommunications technology was imported from abroad, Ren hoped to build a domestic Chinese telecommunication company that could compete with, and ultimately replace, foreign competitors.[29]

The company reports that it had RMB 21,000 in registered capital at the time of its founding. The Far Eastern Economic Review also reported that it received an $8.5 million loan from a state-owned bank, though the company has denied the existence of the loan

Huawei classifies itself as a "collective" and does not refer to itself as a private company. Richard McGregor, author of The Party: The Secret World of China's Communist Rulers, said that this is "a definitional distinction that has been essential to the company's receipt of state support at crucial points in its development."[57] McGregor argued that "Huawei's status as a genuine collective is doubtfu
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei

Huawei truly make some fantastic phones, but I think the US government is entitled to be a tad suspicious of this vulnerability.
 
konfab said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei

Huawei truly make some fantastic phones, but I think the US government is entitled to be a tad suspicious of this vulnerability.
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I guess we should be also wary of the CISCO due to USA NSA IMPLANTS...

photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...de-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

And:
cisco-confirms-nsa-linked-zeroday-targeted-its-firewalls-for-years
https://arstechnica.com/information...ked-zeroday-targeted-its-firewalls-for-years/

The Chinese government is right to be a tad suspicious of CISCO and American companies. :erm: :erm: :erm:
 
system32 said:
I guess we should be also wary of the CISCO due to USA NSA IMPLANTS...

photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...de-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

And:
cisco-confirms-nsa-linked-zeroday-targeted-its-firewalls-for-years
https://arstechnica.com/information...ked-zeroday-targeted-its-firewalls-for-years/

The Chinese government is right to be a tad suspicious of CISCO and American companies. :erm: :erm: :erm:
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As you would have reasons to be suspicious of Alcatel.

Only Nokia and Ericsson seem not too tainted for network equipment.
 
system32 said:
I guess we should be also wary of the CISCO due to USA NSA IMPLANTS...

photos-of-an-nsa-upgrade-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...de-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

And:
cisco-confirms-nsa-linked-zeroday-targeted-its-firewalls-for-years
https://arstechnica.com/information...ked-zeroday-targeted-its-firewalls-for-years/

The Chinese government is right to be a tad suspicious of CISCO and American companies. :erm: :erm: :erm:
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they should be! but the American companies aren't the ones whining, are they?
 
crackersa said:
they should be! but the American companies aren't the ones whining, are they?
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I suspect it's a bit more complicated that that.

IIRC, The Chinese banned Cisco after the NSA started implanting sniffers in Cisco routers.

why-china-is-making-life-miserable-for-big-u-s-tech
http://fortune.com/2015/02/26/why-china-is-making-life-miserable-for-big-u-s-tech/

China is blacklisting Apple, Cisco, and other US tech companies
https://qz.com/351256/its-official-china-is-blacklisting-apple-cisco-and-other-us-tech-companies/

CISCO complains to US Government about the ban.
US Government makes up these fake news allegations against ZTE & Huawei.
This is in retaliation to that Chinese ban.
 
So in the statement released at the US they dont actually deny anything, just talk around the issue.
 
system32 said:
I suspect it's a bit more complicated that that.

IIRC, The Chinese banned Cisco after the NSA started implanting sniffers in Cisco routers.

why-china-is-making-life-miserable-for-big-u-s-tech
http://fortune.com/2015/02/26/why-china-is-making-life-miserable-for-big-u-s-tech/

China is blacklisting Apple, Cisco, and other US tech companies
https://qz.com/351256/its-official-china-is-blacklisting-apple-cisco-and-other-us-tech-companies/

CISCO complains to US Government about the ban.
US Government makes up these fake news allegations against ZTE & Huawei.
This is in retaliation to that Chinese ban.
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so you're saying ZTE and Huawei are perfectly safe even though their major share holders are the Chinese government?
 
So while this makes sense it also somewhat easily mitigated, with phones change the ROM, yes you could still have some hardware level stuff ongoing but its unlikely compared to software.

if ZTE / Huawei or any company really want to make it clear their devices are more trustworthy then make all your software open source.

This happened regarding kaspersky and Russia recently as well.

I wonder how many machines in China run Microsoft Windows, since America could be using that to spy on China and all
 
The Apple iPhone is also made in China? With stringent oversight from Apple that seems to miss the odd few 12 year old children working at said factories. The US government are probably reliant on Apple building in its own bugs! You can lock up every iPhone by sending one Indian character is quite a whopper I must admit!!

Huawei infrastructure is used in the UK and GCHQ has fully reversed engineered all the code!
 
So the cold war between U.S. and China continues. Translated: Don't buy Huawei and ZTE because they are easier to jailbreak and disable our own known spyware. Wouldn't buy ZTE though as it's Fong Kong rubbish that just burns out for no reason.
 
crackersa said:
so you're saying ZTE and Huawei are perfectly safe even though their major share holders are the Chinese government?
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Most cell companies in ZA use Huawei Cell Tower equipment - better and cheaper.

I'm sure there is no significant difference in risk between Cisco and Huawei.

They are both both made / assembled in China.
 
system32 said:
Most cell companies in ZA use Huawei Cell Tower equipment - better and cheaper.

I'm sure there is no significant difference in risk between Cisco and Huawei.

They are both both made / assembled in China.
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Cell C is NSN/ZTE for 3G, a lot of Huawei for 4G
MTN is mostly Ericsson
Telkom is mostly Ericsson
Vodacom is NSN/Huawei
 
system32 said:
I suspect it's a bit more complicated that that.

IIRC, The Chinese banned Cisco after the NSA started implanting sniffers in Cisco routers.

why-china-is-making-life-miserable-for-big-u-s-tech
http://fortune.com/2015/02/26/why-china-is-making-life-miserable-for-big-u-s-tech/

China is blacklisting Apple, Cisco, and other US tech companies
https://qz.com/351256/its-official-china-is-blacklisting-apple-cisco-and-other-us-tech-companies/

CISCO complains to US Government about the ban.
US Government makes up these fake news allegations against ZTE & Huawei.
This is in retaliation to that Chinese ban.
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Lol, you do realise that huawei pirated cisco's ios back in the day, they even straight up copied the manuals without making any changes.

How do you even get hold of cisco's source code?
 
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