Concerns over ZTE and Huawei security

ponder said:
Lol, you do realise that huawei pirated cisco's ios back in the day, they even straight up copied the manuals without making any changes.

How do you even get hold of cisco's source code?
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And ZTE in turn made exact but crap copies of Huawei devices.
 
Swa said:
And ZTE in turn made exact but crap copies of Huawei devices.
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Yeh, but backdoors are inside chips microcode and these are cooked in Israel, licenced cheap all over the world.
 
sajunky said:
Yeh, but backdoors are inside chips microcode and these are cooked in Israel, licenced cheap all over the world.
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Backed by their uncle in the spy business...
 
Xino_sam said:
Nokia & Alcatel are one now, I think
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Sorry, forgot that.

Alcatel Marine was suspected of having backdoors in submarine cables at the time it was still french state owned.
 
f2wohf said:
Cell C is NSN/ZTE for 3G, a lot of Huawei for 4G
MTN is mostly Ericsson
Telkom is mostly Ericsson
Vodacom is NSN/Huawei
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Not sure where in the world you get that information:
Cell C is ZTE / Huawei only
MTN is mostly Huawei, with some Ericsson and ZTE
Telkom is exclusively Huawei
vodacom is about right
 
Origin248 said:
Not sure where in the world you get that information:
Cell C is ZTE / Huawei only
MTN is mostly Huawei, with some Ericsson and ZTE
Telkom is exclusively Huawei
vodacom is about right
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NSN has installed around 3000 Cell C 3G BTS. There were two simultaneous NSA contracts:
- one for the north of the country for NSN;
- one for the south of the country for ZTE.

Cell C then kicked out NSN and ZTE and went to Huawei for 4G.

ZTE only sold tiny amounts to MTN in the Western Cape (and it was mostly E1 equipment).

Huawei does the managed services for MTN. Not too sure for their BTS recently as it’s 3 years I’m out of the industry MTN actually has a partnership with Ericsson and Ericsson has a few billion rands of recoverables from MTN.

Ericsson is the preferred provider of most legacy operators including Telkom, this might have changed but at its start, Telkom went mostly to Ericsson and a little to Huawei.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/12367-cell-c-and-nsn-s-mobile-broadband-rollout.html

http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2009/04/sa-court-says-yes-to-telkom-ericsson-contract/

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/c...telkom-does-not-see-5g-as-immediate-priority/

http://www.mtn-investor.com/reporting/presentations/investor_update_171007.pdf

Where I got my information? By bidding on half of these contracts and negotiating some of them
 
f2wohf said:
NSN has installed around 3000 Cell C 3G BTS. There were two simultaneous NSA contracts:
- one for the north of the country for NSN;
- one for the south of the country for ZTE.

Cell C then kicked out NSN and ZTE and went to Huawei for 4G.

ZTE only sold tiny amounts to MTN in the Western Cape (and it was mostly E1 equipment).

Huawei does the managed services for MTN. Not too sure for their BTS recently as it’s 3 years I’m out of the industry MTN actually has a partnership with Ericsson and Ericsson has a few billion rands of recoverables from MTN.

Ericsson is the preferred provider of most legacy operators including Telkom, this might have changed but at its start, Telkom went mostly to Ericsson and a little to Huawei.

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/12367-cell-c-and-nsn-s-mobile-broadband-rollout.html

http://www.itnewsafrica.com/2009/04/sa-court-says-yes-to-telkom-ericsson-contract/

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/c...telkom-does-not-see-5g-as-immediate-priority/

http://www.mtn-investor.com/reporting/presentations/investor_update_171007.pdf

Where I got my information? By bidding on half of these contracts and negotiating some of them
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1. Your sources are really old, some over 11 years ago? The only recent article talks about 5G testing; a standard that is not properly rectified yet.

2. You said yourself that you have been out of the game for 3 years. Personally I think you have been out of the game a bit longer and what you mentioned might have been applicable 5 years ago before the major swaps to LTE.
 
Origin248 said:
1. Your sources are really old, some over 11 years ago? The only recent article talks about 5G testing; a standard that is not properly rectified yet.

2. You said yourself that you have been out of the game for 3 years. Personally I think you have been out of the game a bit longer and what you mentioned might have been applicable 5 years ago before the major swaps to LTE.
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ZTE: I mentioned 3G only for Cell C on purpose. Cell C kicked out NSN and ZTE around 2014. Since 2014 (after the NOC and billing became Huawei), Huawei became their preferred vendor.

Except if ZTE sold a lot to MTN recently (haven't heard of it and have drinks with guys working there frequently), they supply close to nil to MTN. Never heard much of Huawei's sales to MTN SA and always had the impression that Ericsson is a much bigger supplier than Huawei. MTN has (as of last week) billions of outstanding invoices to be paid to Ericsson so that's not old (the 11 year old report is because I couldn't find more recent, but can't see major mentions of contracts with Huawei either).

Telkom, I've never worked with them except one tender in 2012, so I go by hearsay only and might be very wrong. They're a legacy carrier and the target market of Ericsson though.
 
f2wohf said:
ZTE: I mentioned 3G only for Cell C on purpose. Cell C kicked out NSN and ZTE around 2014. Since 2014 (after the NOC and billing became Huawei), Huawei became their preferred vendor.

Except if ZTE sold a lot to MTN recently (haven't heard of it and have drinks with guys working there frequently), they supply close to nil to MTN. Never heard much of Huawei's sales to MTN SA and always had the impression that Ericsson is a much bigger supplier than Huawei. MTN has (as of last week) billions of outstanding invoices to be paid to Ericsson so that's not old (the 11 year old report is because I couldn't find more recent, but can't see major mentions of contracts with Huawei either).

Telkom, I've never worked with them except one tender in 2012, so I go by hearsay only and might be very wrong. They're a legacy carrier and the target market of Ericsson though.
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This is not getting anywhere; let me just say that your information is inaccurate and ask that you phone your friends in MTN and ask them who sells more equipment to them these days Huawei or Ericsson, and more poignantly which supplier is more likely to make more sales in the future: ZTE, Huawei or Ericsson.

You worked on the Telkom Mobile / 8ta tender mobile networks tender in 2012? The same one that Huawei won the ENTIRE Telkom mobile network rollout? I mean that was pretty much big news in 2012 in the industry.

Lastly - Ericsson a bigger supplier than Huawei? Good one.
 
Origin248 said:
This is not getting anywhere; let me just say that your information is inaccurate and ask that you phone your friends in MTN and ask them who sells more equipment to them these days Huawei or Ericsson, and more poignantly which supplier is more likely to make more sales in the future: ZTE, Huawei or Ericsson.

You worked on the Telkom Mobile / 8ta tender mobile networks tender in 2012? The same one that Huawei won the ENTIRE Telkom mobile network rollout? I mean that was pretty much big news in 2012 in the industry.

Lastly - Ericsson a bigger supplier than Huawei? Good one.
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I worked on it and ZTE's BEE started suing Telkom against ZTE's policy (https://businesstech.co.za/news/telecommunications/9964/zte-vs-zte-mzansi-on-telkom-interdict/)

I have to admit, I don't know what's radio, what's core and what's E1 in more recent contracts.

You have to read the sentence in context: Ericsson being a bigger supplier (admittedly I don't know the breakdown and it might include MSA too) to MTN than Huawei, not a bigger supplier overall. The answer is definitely not ZTE tough.
 
f2wohf said:
I worked on it and ZTE's BEE started suing Telkom against ZTE's policy (https://businesstech.co.za/news/telecommunications/9964/zte-vs-zte-mzansi-on-telkom-interdict/)

I have to admit, I don't know what's radio, what's core and what's E1 in more recent contracts.

You have to read the sentence in context: Ericsson being a bigger supplier (admittedly I don't know the breakdown and it might include MSA too) to MTN than Huawei, not a bigger supplier overall. The answer is definitely not ZTE tough.
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You still don't get it: Huawei is bigger supplier than Ericsson under ANY measurement. Core, Radio, Transmission, FTTx, Billing. They have been the industry number 1 since 2015 and the gap has just widened even more.

Definitely not ZTE I agree.
 
Origin248 said:
You still don't get it: Huawei is bigger supplier than Ericsson under ANY measurement. Core, Radio, Transmission, FTTx, Billing. They have been the industry number 1 since 2015 and the gap has just widened even more.

Definitely not ZTE I agree.
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Haven’t heard of contracts issued by MTN since so I’ll easily believe you on that one.
 
Origin248 said:
Not sure where in the world you get that information:
Cell C is ZTE / Huawei only
MTN is mostly Huawei, with some Ericsson and ZTE
Telkom is exclusively Huawei
vodacom is about right
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And even so I don't think any new Ericsson kit is being installed by anyone.

If they can switch they switch, but it'd pointless burning money just for the sake of burning it.

The international scene is also moving to Huawei because unlike Ericsson who make it all your problem Huawei will literally send a chinese oke along with your kit to make sure it works before disappearing.
 
SauRoNZA said:
And even so I don't think any new Ericsson kit is being installed by anyone.

If they can switch they switch, but it'd pointless burning money just for the sake of burning it.

The international scene is also moving to Huawei because unlike Ericsson who make it all your problem Huawei will literally send a chinese oke along with your kit to make sure it works before disappearing.
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A massive difference (heard from techs) is that Ericsson has a closed architecture, each new feature is a proprietary add on that costs a fortune.

Huawei has an open source architecture allowing to expand the functions of your network in a much more cost effective way.
 
f2wohf said:
A massive difference (heard from techs) is that Ericsson has a closed architecture, each new feature is a proprietary add on that costs a fortune.

Huawei has an open source architecture allowing to expand the functions of your network in a much more cost effective way.
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Exactly why I say it's such a problem that they dump it on you and let you fend for yourself.

And then only they can support it badly.

Huawei also requires a lot less hardware and/or middleware so it integrates much better and faster and more seamlessly.

It also brings down complexity with less points of failure so overall it's just better, cheaper, simpler, faster, adjective adjective adjective.

The joke is that supporting the legacy *** from Ericsson probably costs most money than switching to Huawei.
 
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