Controversial refs removed from S14 2010 by Sanzar

[Devill]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3434205/Super-14-referee-sacked-reports

Australian rugby referee Paul Marks has paid the price for his controversial decision not to award the Sharks a penalty try in the final minutes of their Super 14 loss to NSW last Saturday night.

The Australian newspaper has reported that Marks has been sacked indefinitely, with SANZAR referees boss Lyndon Bray conceding a penalty try against Waratah Kurtley Beale should have been awarded to the visiting South African side.

The decision to stand down Marks comes after Sharks coach John Plumtree and his players voiced their dismay at the officiating after their 25-21 loss to NSW, their fourth successive loss of 2010.

Pro Legoete was also dropped from the S14 ref "team".

http://www.beeld.com/Content/Sport/...-03-2010-10-06/Omstrede_blaser_kry_rooikaart_

 

[porchrat]

That decision was ridiculous. Worst thing is the ref gave a yellow card clearly indicating he regarded it as a deliberate professional foul and then refused to give a penalty try. I mean there was nobody there to stop the Sharks how exactly could they not have scored a try under those circumstances?

 

[Devill]

That decision was ridiculous. Worst thing is the ref gave a yellow card clearly indicating he regarded it as a deliberate professional foul and then refused to give a penalty try. I mean there was nobody there to stop the Sharks how exactly could they not have scored a try under those circumstances?

Ok this is not the sharks thread... go moan there if you want to moan.

Discuss the topic please.

I think it is good that Sanzar is willing to admit a ref is not ready yet and send him back to training level.

 

[porchrat]

Ok this is not the sharks thread... go moan there if you want to moan.

Discuss the topic please.

I think it is good that Sanzar is willing to admit a ref is not ready yet and send him back to training level.

I'm sorry but how exactly was that off-topic? I was agreeing that I felt the decision was an error and then stated the reasons for my opinion. I was agreeing that he should have been suspended.

Unbunch your panties grandma.

 

[Devill]

I'm sorry but how exactly was that off-topic? I was agreeing that I felt the decision was an error and that he should have been suspended.
Unbunch your panties lady.

Typical shark

We all know he made a bad call. We all know he is human. We all agreed it was a shltty call just after that game.

Now get over it.

Lets stay on topic with comments like:" Yes I think Paul and Pro both did make mistakes and I am happy to see Sanzar is manning up" or "This is Bullslit!, a ref is God in rugby they should not ever be questioned".

 

[porchrat]

Typical shark

We all know he made a bad call. We all know he is human. We all agreed it was a shltty call just after that game.

Now get over it.

Lets stay on topic with comments like:" Yes I think Paul and Pro both did make mistakes and I am happy to see Sanzar is manning up" or "This is Bullslit!, a ref is God in rugby they should not ever be questioned".

Both of which are opinions containing emotive language like "Bullslit!" and/or references to whether or not they agree with the decision such as "I think Paul and Pro both did make mistakes" I fail to see how my response differs from those you have suggested. You are welcome to demonstrate how it is different though.

Otherwise back off grandma and unbunch your panties.

 

[Herm]

Its good that the public sees something done. Often people moan about refs, now they can see that something is in fact being done.

 

[Devill]

Its good that the public sees something done. Often people moan about refs, now they can see that something is in fact being done.

I agree. I do however think the refs should work on a kind of penalty point system. One bad call does not make you a bad ref.

As you said it is great for the people to see that there is something being done if the refs screw up badly.

 

[porchrat]

Its good that the public sees something done. Often people moan about refs, now they can see that something is in fact being done.

+1 Agreed it definitely is a positive thing.

I would like though to see a new system whereby crucial decisions like the one mentioned in this thread could be challenged by others administering the game such as the linesman or the TMO (or perhaps just a second ref somewhere else on the field?). I don't just mean the ref can go to the TMO when he wants I mean the others can actually have a say in what goes on and disagree with the ref.

I mean we have a TMO that is basically a man with one of the best vantage points of all the officials and yet he is often ignored for crucial decisions. For the clear-cut decisions sure let the ref on the field alone make the call, but for things like this there really should be more than one voice as there are bound to be mistakes.

Is this even practical? I don't know. Anyone agree or disagree here? Thoughts?

 

[Ou grote]

I'm sorry but how exactly was that off-topic? I was agreeing that I felt the decision was an error and then stated the reasons for my opinion. I was agreeing that he should have been suspended.

Unbunch your panties grandma.

Could've been a knock-on, forward pass, trip over his own feet, that sort of thing...
Sharks have been doing that a lot in their last 10 or so games.

 

[porchrat]

Could've been a knock-on, forward pass, trip over his own feet, that sort of thing...
Sharks have been doing that a lot in their last 10 or so games.

Not grounds for not awarding a penalty try AFAIK. Under those circumstances a ref can never award a penalty try.

Could be wrong. I am after all not a referee.

 

[Devill]

I'm still waiting for the differences between your proposed responses and my response grandma.

You harped on about the mistake. This was not the the topic up for discussion

There was no mention of "well done Sanzar" or "Bad call Idiot Sanzarian race that is lower than snake ####".....

That decision was ridiculous. Worst thing is the ref gave a yellow card clearly indicating he regarded it as a deliberate professional foul and then refused to give a penalty try. I mean there was nobody there to stop the Sharks how exactly could they not have scored a try under those circumstances?

You comment on the call he made. Not on the topic up for discussion.

We all know he made a bad call.

So get all your toys back in your cot.

 

[Ou grote]

Not grounds for not awarding a penalty try AFAIK. Under those circumstances a ref can never award a penalty try.

Could be wrong. I am after all not a referee.

Yeah I know.
Just having a dig at the Sharks while I still can.

 

[porchrat]

Yeah I know.
Just having a dig at the Sharks while I still can.

Lol yea Sharks are seriously sucking this season. Playing like a bunch of pansies.

In fact I am pretty sure Plumtree's new strategy involves coating the players hands in butter and giving them all concussions before they run onto the field

 

[phoneJunky]

It is good that they are doing this and not just ignoring it like in the past. Hope this will lead to a panel after each match like they do with soccer

 

[LancelotSA]

Unbunch your panties grandma.

I'm in totally agreement! How can someone post an article which refers directly to the Sharks match and the specific incident and then ask someone to stay on topic when they discuss this exact thing! Really laughable! I'm going to take two guesses that the said individual may well be a Bulls supporter.... I have always questioned the average intelligence of said fans!

For Devill's benefit here is the article he quoted again. The parts referring to the Sharks game are in bold (oh wait, that is all of it!) :

Australian rugby referee Paul Marks has paid the price for his controversial decision not to award the Sharks a penalty try in the final minutes of their Super 14 loss to NSW last Saturday night.

The Australian newspaper has reported that Markshas been sacked indefinitely, with SANZAR referees boss Lyndon Bray conceding a penalty try against Waratah Kurtley Beale should have been awarded to the visiting South African side.

The decision to stand down Marks comes after Sharks coach John Plumtree and his players voiced their dismay at the officiating after their 25-21 loss to NSW, their fourth successive loss of 2010.

 

[LancelotSA]

Oh, and while we are at it, I'd like those who had a go at me about being a typical whinging Shark regarding the following post in the Super 14 thread to please put their hands up too :

So the question that arises is how much of a part do referees play in the outcome of the match... we always bitch about refs but I was not actually watching this game but following online commentary. This is what I picked up :

1st half
2min Penalty to Sharks
5min Penalty to Cheetahs
7min Penalty to Sharks
14min Penalty to Sharks
29min Penalty to Sharks
34min Three penalties in a row to the Sharks
35min Penalty to Sharks
38min Penalty to Sharks
40min Penalty to Sharks

Total - Sharks 10 Cheetahs 1


Then : "Welcome back folks and in a bizarre set of circumstances, referee Jonathan Kaplan has been replaced by Pro Legoete because he has a stomach bug! But the show must go on..."

2nd half
47min Penalty to Cheetahs
55min Penalty to Cheetahs
57min Penalty to Cheetahs
60min Penalty to Cheetahs
66min Penalty to Sharks
69min Penalty to Cheetahs
73min Penalty to Cheetahs
75min Penalty to Cheetahs
76min Penalty to Sharks
79min Penalty to Sharks
80min Penalty to Sharks

Total - Sharks 4 (only improved by the consolation three in the last few minutes) Cheetahs 7

Source : http://www.rugby365.com/pls/cms/rugb...d=8524&p_s=131

Funny that Legota has now been "punished" too! So it appears our "whinging" may be totally valid after all!


Here is one of the culprits

lol
U guys blaming the ref again is predictable.

 

[Ou grote]

Oh, and while we are at it, I'd like those who had a go at me about being a typical whinging Shark regarding the following post in the Super 14 thread to please put their hands up too :



Funny that Legota has now been "punished" too! So it appears our "whinging" may be totally valid after all!


Here is one of the culprits

Agreed
For the first time in the last 10 or so matches where you guys complained about the ref, you are right.

I am impartial of course, unlike yourself.

 

[LancelotSA]

Agreed
For the first time in the last 10 or so matches where you guys complained about the ref, you are right.

I am impartial of course, unlike yourself.

Ahh, in fact it appears you are wrong again (it is becoming a habit ). It is now twice in the last four matches that I am right. With both Legota and Marks. And this is instances in which it has been proven!

 

[Ou grote]

Ahh, in fact it appears you are wrong again (it is becoming a habit ). It is now twice in the last four matches that I am right. With both Legota and Marks. And this is instances in which it has been proven!

Come on Lance, do you expect me to believe the only person in the world who thinks RP is a better flyhalf than MS?
You're not bias? Ha hahaha
Muha hahaha.

In every rugby match I've ever watched at any level, I've see a ref getting something wrong, and I've see a player getting injured.
Those 2 things will always happen.