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I see Cool Ideas is now finally available on the Openserve fibre infastructure. But I'm a bit disappointed in their pricing e.g. R1199 p/m for the 10Mbps/5Mbps uncapped. I thought they would be price competitive but think I will rather opt for the Crystalweb uncapped at R999 p/m or ISPAfrika at R799.
 
Borrels said:
I see Cool Ideas is now finally available on the Openserve fibre infastructure. But I'm a bit disappointed in their pricing e.g. R1199 p/m for the 10Mbps/5Mbps uncapped. I thought they would be price competitive but think I will rather opt for the Crystalweb uncapped at R999 p/m or ISPAfrika at R799.
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Yeah unfortunately if we want to keep the service to be truly unlimited and at the same contention levels as the other fibre networks, the IPC brings the price up quite a bit.
 
PBCool said:
Yeah unfortunately if we want to keep the service to be truly unlimited and at the same contention levels as the other fibre networks, the IPC brings the price up quite a bit.
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Yep, IPC is a killer. Openserve / Telkom Group will really need to sort out their regulatory mess and come to the party with non-IPC pricing for fibre data.
 
Hi guys, please explain the IPC costs? what is it and why does other providers not charge this?
 
Deanoblado said:
Hi guys, please explain the IPC costs? what is it and why does other providers not charge this?
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Basically a network access fee, other providers do charge it but within reason. So for instance on Openserves network we would need to pay them for the line (Side A or customer) and then IPC/Network Access fee (Side B or provider). But they charge per mbps.
 
PBCool said:
Basically a network access fee, other providers do charge it but within reason. So for instance on Openserves network we would need to pay them for the line (Side A or customer) and then IPC/Network Access fee (Side B or provider). But they charge per mbps.
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Thanks for that, its ridiculous how the price varies if they charge IPC per mbps.
 
PBCool said:
Yeah unfortunately if we want to keep the service to be truly unlimited and at the same contention levels as the other fibre networks, the IPC brings the price up quite a bit.
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Exactly why I for example ordered the Priority Fibre 10mbps from Afrihost for R1299. You don't want user to have a crap product, so they have to pay for it not to be crap.

I could have ordered the ISPAfrika, Afrihost or some other R799 10mpbs option and then get heavy shaping.
 
Deanoblado said:
Hi guys, please explain the IPC costs? what is it and why does other providers not charge this?
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Simple explanation is that IPC is where Telkom's ADSL data goes. Telkom(Openserve) also run their fibre over IPC for some reason.

So if you only have access to Openserve fibre you have to go over IPC.

Other Fibre Networks don't use IPC.
 
PBCool said:
Yeah unfortunately if we want to keep the service to be truly unlimited and at the same contention levels as the other fibre networks, the IPC brings the price up quite a bit.
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And what are those contention levels if I may ask?
 
supersunbird said:
Exactly why I for example ordered the Priority Fibre 10mbps from Afrihost for R1299. You don't want user to have a crap product, so they have to pay for it not to be crap.

I could have ordered the ISPAfrika, Afrihost or some other R799 10mpbs option and then get heavy shaping.
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So you reckon the other ISPs are cheaper because they are shaped. ISPafrika says they shape torrents between 8:00 and 00:00 but Crystalweb's site is slient on shaping. Anyone experienced shaping with CW?
 
Borrels said:
And what are those contention levels if I may ask?
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Basically we are allocating the amount of IPC bandwidth on current networks that don't have IPC as a factor, not a contention basis. We take the average across each package and their demand and that's what gets allocated.
 
Borrels said:
So you reckon the other ISPs are cheaper because they are shaped. ISPafrika says they shape torrents between 8:00 and 00:00 but Crystalweb's site is slient on shaping. Anyone experienced shaping with CW?
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Shaping isn't just for contention on IPC, why do ISPs do this on networks without IPC? It's also about (mostly international) bandwidth utilisation and profitability. Basically making most people happy, and money has been the way ISPs have operated.

Contention was an issue in ADSL era due to exchanges being contended, and then IPC and then upstream capacity which all compiled into a contention through the roof.
 
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Borrels said:
So you reckon the other ISPs are cheaper because they are shaped. ISPafrika says they shape torrents between 8:00 and 00:00 but Crystalweb's site is slient on shaping. Anyone experienced shaping with CW?
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Not yet. Had an uncapped DSL account and now have a capped fibre account...
 
PBCool said:
Basically we are allocating the amount of IPC bandwidth on current networks that don't have IPC as a factor, not a contention basis. We take the average across each package and their demand and that's what gets allocated.
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Sorry I don't understand this. Are saying the IPC bandwidth pacts the non-IPC bandwidth in some way? Surely you need to have some contention on your fibre products, at least of I understand the concept right. If you buy 10Mbps from Openserve and you on sell that to 5 users you end up with 1:5 but know the users don't peak at the same time so performance is still acceptable. Not so with fibre?
 
Borrels said:
Sorry I don't understand this. Are saying the IPC bandwidth pacts the non-IPC bandwidth in some way? Surely you need to have some contention on your fibre products, at least of I understand the concept right. If you buy 10Mbps from Openserve and you on sell that to 5 users you end up with 1:5 but know the users don't peak at the same time so performance is still acceptable. Not so with fibre?
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That's not what he said.

What he is saying is, they looked at the usage of the users not on IPC, to know how much much IPC bandwidth they'd need. That's why IPC based accounts are more expensive.
 
Borrels said:
Sorry I don't understand this. Are saying the IPC bandwidth pacts the non-IPC bandwidth in some way? Surely you need to have some contention on your fibre products, at least of I understand the concept right. If you buy 10Mbps from Openserve and you on sell that to 5 users you end up with 1:5 but know the users don't peak at the same time so performance is still acceptable. Not so with fibre?
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Yes so we just used the average demands over our other networks at peak and have included the amount of IPC capacity to cater for the same performance. We can offer services that are more contended at IPC level at lower rates but that isn't the idea from our perspective of a fibre experience.
 
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