COPE = Epic fail?

dappled said:
Ok Pitbull, instead of admitting that you had absolutely no credible basis on which to base your high expectations for COPE's performance, you want to continue your verbal gymnastics by subdividing expectations into "personal expectations" and "predictions".

Which did you have in mind when you say you are disappointed with COPE's performance? The "predictions" (made by 'analysts' looking at 'polls') or your "personal expectations"? I understand the latter to be what you had in mind. So now I ask you again, ON WHAT DID YOU BASE your "personal expectations" that COPE would perform better than they have done? Where is your reason, where is your logic?
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That part was answered a few posts back. How hard can it be to read a simple thread :confused:

Sorry dappled, my patience for stupidity is short
 
Do you have other things that are short? I based my expectation on COPE doing well because i thought the disgruntled black people would vote for COPE instead of the ANC, this was a grave error and one i feel dappled might just get angry and aggressive over :).
 
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Pitbull said:
That part was answered a few posts back. How hard can it be to read a simple thread :confused:
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Pitbull: "The media made a big hype about nothing."

Ok, so your reason for thinking COPE would do better is because of what "the media" said.

/BANGS head against desk

I can't do it anymore.

It's what I imagine trying to having a conversation with Malema must be like.
 
how is this for a hypothesis: COPE is seen as being a vehicle for all those that were mbeki aligned in the last 15 years. therefore it not doing well are people saying that they want something different?
 
killadoob said:
Do you have other things that are short? I based my expectation on COPE doing well because i thought the disgruntled black people would vote for COPE instead of the ANC, this was a grave error and one i feel dappled might just get angry and aggressive over :).
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Still think it would make a difference if Zille was changed to a black person?
 
killadoob said:
Do you have other things that are short? I based my expectation on COPE doing well because i thought the disgruntled black people would vote for COPE instead of the ANC, this was a grave error and one i feel dappled might just get angry and aggressive over :).
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On the contrary, that is a reasoned view.

Citing "the media said so" is not ;)
 
killadoob said:
Do you have other things that are short? I based my expectation on COPE doing well because i thought the disgruntled black people would vote for COPE instead of the ANC, this was a grave error and one i feel dappled might just get angry and aggressive over :).
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Let it go man, let it go :D

He is the all knowing one, the beginning and the end I tell you. He should rather stick to playing music :p
 
TMoose said:
Still think it would make a difference if Zille was changed to a black person?
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It may or may not but if you do not try you'll never know, did the COPE think they would win the election? more than likely not but they tried.

Rather try and fail i say than not try at all. I live by that rule and it has served me well thus far :). Rather lose an election knowing you did everything you possibly could to go for the win :), although with cope not doing as well as i would have imagined you may well be correct in saying a black person heading the DA would make no difference.
 
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killadoob said:
It may or may not but if you do not try you'll never know, did the COPE think they would win the election? more than likely not but they tried.

Rather try and fail i say than not try at all. I live by that rule and it has served me well thus far :).
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If the DA merged with COPE things would be interesting...
 
theratman said:
If the DA merged with COPE things would be interesting...
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Very interesting with all the support the DA has and the black following COPE will get in the years to come should they not be an anc spawn, it would be very interesting. Also tmoose the Da had a much longer time than cope to prepare.
 
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milomak said:
how is this for a hypothesis: COPE is seen as being a vehicle for all those that were mbeki aligned in the last 15 years. therefore it not doing well are people saying that they want something different?
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An excellent hypothesis!

I agree, many ANC voters have voted for change in their view:

Mbeki - western
Zuma - tribal

Mbeki - educated
Zuma - std4?

Mbeki - cold
Zuma - "warm" (frequently described as)

Mbeki - to the right of the left
Zuma - centre left

Mbeki - bring me my brandy
Zuma - bring me my machine gun

Mbeki - privileged background (relatively)
Zuma - underprivileged background

Mbeki - intellectual
Zuma - social

Mbeki - Xhosa
Zuma - Zulu

Mbeki - beard
Zuma - bald

The "voting for change" already happened at Polokwane when Zuma took the ANC presidency from Mbeki.

'Democracy' is surely questionable any time a single party's politics is such a determinant of the national politics.
 
Goign back to the topic, does COPE = epic fail?

I reckon no. Becoming the opposition in four of the provinces I think that is a very good showing, albeit not much of an opposition in those provinces, execpt the NC.

Only time will tell what will happen to them untill 2014. Will they become another UDM?
 
DWPTA said:
Goign back to the topic, does COPE = epic fail?

I reckon no. Becoming the opposition in four of the provinces I think that is a very good showing, albeit not much of an opposition in those provinces, execpt the NC.

Only time will tell what will happen to them untill 2014. Will they become another UDM?
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the fact that they have managed to make some sort of national footprint puts them in a far better position than the UDM. But if they do not shake the tag of being a middle class party they will become irrelevant very soon.
 
Looking at it again this morning, COPE gained allot of ground from this time yesterday. So I would change my view from Epic fail, to partial fail. They did pretty good in some areas :)
 
dappled said:
Pitbull: "The media made a big hype about nothing."

Ok, so your reason for thinking COPE would do better is because of what "the media" said.

/BANGS head against desk

I can't do it anymore.

It's what I imagine trying to having a conversation with Malema must be like.
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No back up now because i'm starting to get irritated. Are you thus saying that anyone that believes what newspapers/magazines/radio says is an idiot? We are all aware of the fact that the media sensationalise situations at times but my god they are credible majority of the time. Just for your information what killadoob said about disgruntled ANC members would vote COPE was also reported in the media.
 
Serqet said:
No back up now because i'm starting to get irritated. Are you thus saying that anyone that believes what newspapers/magazines/radio says is an idiot? We are all aware of the fact that the media sensationalise situations at times but my god they are credible majority of the time. Just for your information what killadoob said about disgruntled ANC members would vote COPE was also reported in the media.
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Just leave him be. He's just being retarded.
 
Not only did the media portray COPE as a strong opposition they portrayed themselves in that light too. By saying "we are going to topple the ANC". You cannot now say anyone who believed this is a cretin. There was good reason to believe they would do well. Did they do as well as we expected? No and i'm sure they feel like they could have secured more votes too. They are a young party and i think it was maybe a tad too optimistic for us to think they would become the ANC's main opposition. Are we ignorant for believing in them? No, we were just hopeful that someone would put pressure on the ANC (shake them up a bit). I didn't really care who did it as long as someone did.
 
Serqet said:
Not only did the media portray COPE as a strong opposition they portrayed themselves in that light too. By saying "we are going to topple the ANC". You cannot now say anyone who believed this is a cretin. There was good reason to believe they would do well. Did they do as well as we expected? No and i'm sure they feel like they could have secured more votes too. They are a young party and i think it was maybe a tad too optimistic for us to think they would become the ANC's main opposition. Are we ignorant for believing in them? No, we were just hopeful that someone would put pressure on the ANC (shake them up a bit). I didn't really care who did it as long as someone did.
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That is just the thing.

No one believed they will topple the ANC or Turn out to be the next best thing since sliced bread. I do however think allot of people expected them to at least be in the running for opposition. Now the Pee brains think that we are as stupid as dirt for expecting more from COPE.

Just figures ;)
 
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