mancombseepgood
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Well, I still prefer Cape Town as my destination of choice when on holiday... there is a reason for that.
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Well, I still prefer Cape Town as my destination of choice when on holiday... there is a reason for that.
marine1
Honorary Master
Yes and they have been replaced by the black version. Remember BEE, AA, etc.Dunno if you know.. but the Apartheid guys are gone now.. mostly
The squatters on the Cape Flats?
mancombseepgood
Executive Member
Oh - do tell... where is it you live? *cough*
Let me guess, you go to Boksburg lake for holidays
marine1
Honorary Master
Oh yeah and remember who gave the criminals more rights than us citizens? Oh yes it was the current leadership of the COPE party.
Yes and they have been replaced by the black version. Remember BEE, AA, etc.
I do.. but I think about it in the context of why its here.. what caused it and what is it trying to achieve. I might not agree with with the practice, but I am not against the theory.
marine1
Honorary Master
So for the next 100 years or more, BEE and AA will be here and that is ok with you in theory? Come on man. They are using it for nothing more than racist policies against whites. Most of the laws passed by COPE and the ANC (to me they are the same thing) were designed to make life difficult for law abiding citizens.
It is just a different name with the same crowd.
I will not be party to making a mistake again.
I voted ANC in 94 and regret this decision. It was a wasted vote. I should have rather spoilt my ballot.
What have the ANC done besides rape this country blind?
Kids that are being born after 95 have no right to be included in the policy of AA, BEE.
It is just a different name with the same crowd.
I will not be party to making a mistake again.
I voted ANC in 94 and regret this decision. It was a wasted vote. I should have rather spoilt my ballot.
What have the ANC done besides rape this country blind?
Kids that are being born after 95 have no right to be included in the policy of AA, BEE.
marine1
Honorary Master
In 94 I was under the impression the ANC would fix this country in terms of race issues and make it the best country in the world, I had high hopes and was very naive.
Dude, I have noticed that you are quite the advocate for the DA, and your main beef, IMO, is BEE/AA. Have you gone through the DA's policies? I ask becuase it seems even if they were to somehow take over, It would still remain, with some clever and ambiguous wording thrown in.
http://www.da.org.za/wp-content/uploads/empowerment-opportunity-for-all.pdf
So they think BEE is right, HDI should be a plus, which IMO it is used that way, otherwise white owned companies like GijimaAST, DD, BCX, etc, would not be making a killing in Public sector.
And just to finish off, the thing I hate about the DA, they never come out and clearly state their position. I would just love to know WHEN race should/should not be a basis for empowerment.
You see, they are all the same. Unless the DA is lying obviously to get votes.
marine1
Honorary Master
Sox, they cannot come out and claim it will be abolished as then they will lose votes.
I blv that eventually they would do away with it.
I blv that eventually they would do away with it.
Ozymandias
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A coalition is the only way minority parties can have an effective say. The DA has successfully held together a coalition of six smaller parties in Cape Town for over two and a half years now. Add another party like COPE and the coalition could be a force to be reckoned with at national, provincial and municipal levels.
It seems you are falling for the same "mistake" you made in '94. You just blindly "believe" they will do something.
No. It sounds to me as if you don't understand the electoral system in this country. A vote for COPe is a vote against the ANC. A vote for DA is ALSO a vote against the ANC.
What matters in the next election is not necessarily how many DA voters change their vote to COPe - it's how many ANC voters change. That, dear forumites, is what is going to change the face of politics in SA.
No ?
Dude, I have noticed that you are quite the advocate for the DA, and your main beef, IMO, is BEE/AA. Have you gone through the DA's policies? I ask becuase it seems even if they were to somehow take over, It would still remain, with some clever and ambiguous wording thrown in.
http://www.da.org.za/wp-content/uploads/empowerment-opportunity-for-all.pdf
So they think BEE is right, HDI should be a plus, which IMO it is used that way, otherwise white owned companies like GijimaAST, DD, BCX, etc, would not be making a killing in Public sector.
And just to finish off, the thing I hate about the DA, they never come out and clearly state their position. I would just love to know WHEN race should/should not be a basis for empowerment.
You see, they are all the same. Unless the DA is lying obviously to get votes.
Sox, notice that its BBEE not BBBEE.
The current model of the ANC is empowerment without meritocracy. It involves unthinkingly putting black people in positions of power without any regard for the consequences. If you doubt this, look at documents like the BBBEE Scorecard, which are clearly discriminatory towards white people.
That having been said, I need to clarify this, otherwise, I might end up voting FF+.
daveza
Honorary Master
After 50 years I hope I have a vague understanding...
But yes, defections from the ANC are vital and however the numbers work out the 2/3 majority needs to be broken, and I can't see the DA or COPE doing this on their own.
Yes and no. The game of politics is going to get more complex than that with vote trading. The ANC might for example need the DA's vote to get an Act passed. To do this, they might need to make a concession to the DA. Likewise ANC with Cope etc...
IOW, vote for the party that best suits your agenda, since they will be able to do more for you.
You see what I mean, it needs clarity from the DA.
I do agree. And quite honestly, I agree that the DA should come clean and state clearly what its policy is.
Anything less is cowardly.
And for a party that wants to occupy the moral high ground - somewhat unethical.
We can leave the two-faced behaviour to Zuma - no one in the country does it better than him anyway.
No way, Helen Zille cant rule south africa. She likes patronising black people with her broken xhosa. She must stop using blacks to win the black vote in this country. Look what she did to Seremene, putting him up for the presidency, yaks, what was she thinking. She complains that people dont educate themselves on DA policies which she claims she has put in the media, well the voters are certainly not liking them since they are not voting for her. ANC policies are king, they hvae brought economic growth and will continue to do so.