Could life survive inside a black hole?

spf1007

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Stable planetary orbits are theorized to exist inside black hole event horizons; advanced lifeforms may live there too.

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Could a black hole be the ultimate destination for a reclusive, advanced alien race?

Planets and maybe even advanced life could theoretically exist inside a black hole, according to a new theory.

The idea by physicist Professor Vyacheslav Dokuchaev from the Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow appears to go against the common belief that black holes are giant gravity wells gobbling up anything that gets too close.

In a paper written for the journal Journal of Cosmology and Astroparticle Physics and appearing on the pre-press website arXiv.org, Dokuchaev follows on from previous theories that subatomic particles such as photons can have stable orbits inside the internal structure of some black holes.

He says supermassive black holes at the center of galaxies could allow particles, and perhaps even planets with life, to orbit the singularity without being destroyed.

The singularity is located at the heart of a black hole, and is the place where the laws of physics and space-time break down.

It's surrounded by the event horizon, a region beyond which objects need to travel faster than the speed of light to escape the black hole. Because nothing can theoretically travel faster than the speed of light, nothing escapes once it's passed the event horizon.

In his paper, Dokuchaev studies hypothetical orbits in the area between the event horizon and the singularity to understand their dynamics.

He says while conventional orbits wouldn't be possible, there are some places where particles and planets could have stable though unusual spiral orbits.

Dokuchaev calculates, such a planet would be brightly illuminated by the singularity and by photons trapped in the same orbit.

"This planet might even support a complex chemistry rich enough to allow life to evolve", says Dokuchaev.

"Advanced civilizations may live safely inside the black hole without being visible from the outside".

Dokuchaev admits such a civilization would have to cope with extraordinary conditions including huge tidal forces and massive energy densities as photons become trapped.

And he admits there's also the problem of causality violations, where the rules of space-time don't apply.

Astronomer Dr David Floyd from the Australian Astronomical Observatory and the University of Melbourne says even if the theory is correct, it would be impossible to know what is occurring beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

"At this point - and perhaps forever - we're restricted to making untestable assertions," says Floyd.

"As far as we know, matter would go into free fall, that is, it would all fall into this tiny infinitesimal point at the centre which forms the singularity."

Floyd says the paper one shortcoming of the paper is that it assumes radiation has no impact on orbits inside the black hole.

"It wouldn't take much to produce drag which would slow down the orbits described in Dokuchaev paper, causing them to collapse onto the singularity".

But Floyd admits it opens up some interesting philosophical questions.

"Given the number of black holes in the universe - lots - one might infer that life is inevitable inside at least one of them if there really are stable orbits," he says. "Maybe there are entire universes inside black holes."

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I read the headlines of this via RSS.
Interesting stuff. Extremophiles changed the concept of life, so it is very plausible.
 

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Possible but exceedingly unlikely. Amusing but untestable & practically useless theory.
 

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Would be interesting to know but we aren't exactly on the verge of interstellar travel to test this theory on a practical level. I always assumed black holes exert extreme tidal forces which rips any object apart, and the whole theory of relativity implies that time actually slows down, albeit only from an outsiders perspective as time is relative.

I'm no physics student but that's what I was taught in school
 

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Would be interesting to know but we aren't exactly on the verge of interstellar travel to test this theory on a practical level. I always assumed black holes exert extreme tidal forces which rips any object apart, and the whole theory of relativity implies that time actually slows down, albeit only from an outsiders perspective as time is relative.

I'm no physics student but that's what I was taught in school

Scientific theory states that it may be possible to bypass the event horizon moments before impact where all matter gets disassembled into it's most basic form thereby passing into another space/time dimension, not an alternate reality so to speak, but an area of space where were wouldn't be limited by the laws of our current dimension, in other words, you could instantaneously pop out in another part of the galaxy. The theories out there, some of them are very radical. At the moment nobody knows.

Edit: The problem is, the energy required to break out of that gravitational field moments before impact is far beyond anything we possess.
 
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Nothxkbi

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Had to hunt a bit for this vid, saw it on BBC about 2 years ago. Some of the world's top scientists and cosmologists give an update on what research has been done into Black Holes so far.

[video=youtube;0qXSRh3sJg8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qXSRh3sJg8[/video]
 

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Had to hunt a bit for this vid, saw it on BBC about 2 years ago. Some of the world's top scientists and cosmologists give an update on what research has been done into Black Holes so far.

Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed that video with much pleasure.
 
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SlickNick

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Strange idea. Though laughable because it cannot in any way be tested. I could have sucked this out of my thumb as well. Some scientists..... :rolleyes:
 

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technically no! but then again don't we all live in one and life seems to thrives here.
 
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