Could Snowden win a Nobel prize?

Hamster

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Well Obama got one (and he did what exactly?) so anything is possible. Personally I think he is nothing more than a rat.
 

w1z4rd

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Doubt it. If he does get it, he can put it with Putins "peace" prize. Birds of a feather.
 

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I hope he gets it.

Me too. The fashion seems to be to demonise America at the moment. It’s the American GOVERNMENT that is costing America the moral high ground. Individual Americans are standing-up (like Snowden and Manning) and saying by their actions, “not in my name”. This needs to be rewarded and a Nobel Peace Prize sends a clear message to all parties.
 

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Me too. The fashion seems to be to demonise America at the moment. It’s the American GOVERNMENT that is costing America the moral high ground. Individual Americans are standing-up (like Snowden and Manning) and saying by their actions, “not in my name”. This needs to be rewarded and a Nobel Peace Prize sends a clear message to all parties.

Only message it would send is a political one, with almost nothing to do with peace.
 

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There are criteria for this award and his actions do not conform to it. If, somehow it is 'mysteriously' awarded to him, most countries in the world would reject the Nobel awards rendering it useless in future, so I highly doubt this would happen.
 

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Well Obama got one (and he did what exactly?) so anything is possible. Personally I think he is nothing more than a rat.

Yeah... Surveillance state needs its stooges.

Doubt it. If he does get it, he can put it with Putins "peace" prize. Birds of a feather.

What? Snowden and Putin are 'birds of a feather' in your view? :confused:
 

w1z4rd

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There are criteria for this award and his actions do not conform to it. If, somehow it is 'mysteriously' awarded to him, most countries in the world would reject the Nobel awards rendering it useless in future, so I highly doubt this would happen.

I highly doubt most countries in the world would reject the Nobel awards. One or two bad choices dont a whole pedigree make.
 

w1z4rd

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What? Snowden and Putin are 'birds of a feather' in your view? :confused:
In a way yes. Both are pretty self serving. Snowden is in a country with worse human rights abuses than the majority of countries out there, including the USA. A country where democracy is stifled and the Internet is more censored and monitored. Both Snowden and Putin come with epic levels of hypocrisy.

I dont have respect of Snowden. I know lots of people fawn over him, but his hypocrisy is too large for me to ignore.

To me he has given me nothing that I didnt already have a good idea what was happening, and at the same time hurt intelligence in his own country.
 

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This year’s peace prize has drawn a record 278 nominations, including that for Snowden — whose name was put forward by two Norwegian lawmakers for his exposure of widespread US electronic surveillance.
Guess the ANC didn't realise so few nominations were required otherwise Zuma would be on the list as well - all round humanitarian :whistling:
 

OrbitalDawn

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In a way yes. Both are pretty self serving. Snowden is in a country with worse human rights abuses than the majority of countries out there, including the USA. A country where democracy is stifled and the Internet is more censored and monitored. Both Snowden and Putin come with epic levels of hypocrisy.

I dont have respect of Snowden. I know lots of people fawn over him, but his hypocrisy is too large for me to ignore.

While there is a kind of irony in the situation it seems completely unfair to me to paint him with the Putin brush. Saying they're self-serving is saying nothing really, most humans are. And when you compare what they actually did - Snowden exposing and fighting (at great cost to himself) totalitarian methods vs. Putin's enforcing of such methods the comparison just falls apart completely.

Snowden wasn't an insider in the Russian surveillance apparatus. He doesn't have inside info on what they do. For a whistleblower on this level I think he's been very brave to even take on the US surveillance state. You have to pick your battles.

As far as I know Snowden hasn't praised Russia or pretended they don't have these problems. Until he does, calling him a hypocrite is facile, imo.

ghoti said:
To me he has given me nothing that I didnt already have a good idea what was happening, and at the same time hurt intelligence in his own country.

Really? The scope and scale of spying and knowing so much of the details is very different from having some kind of idea that surveillance was going on. He was absolutely instrumental in exposing that.

And how has he hurt intelligence?
 

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Well Obama got one (and he did what exactly?) so anything is possible. Personally I think he is nothing more than a rat.

You and him should get along quite nicely then since you are our resident rodent.
 
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