Cradlestone just robbed

[Nerfherder]

Thanks for the PDF but would it still be the same when you LAWFULLY DEFENDED yourself? Not UNlawfully discharging a FA which might cause death?

The case which you provided indicates that the first act was unlawfull.

Just because someone else is doing something unlawful does not give you the right to do something unlawful.

Just the act of trying to intervene in a crime that is not involving you is a crime.
If you are not a policeman its not your job to start shooting at people who you feel are breaking the law (you are a bystander after all, not the ones being shot at)

 

[The_Mowgs]

Your interpretation of the Law and commentary on it is reckless...not because of what you conclude is necessarily incorrect, but because your reasoning severely lacks legal insight...

Then correct me

 

[The_Mowgs]

Just because someone else is doing something unlawful does not give you the right to do something unlawful.

Just the act of trying to intervene in a crime that is not involving you is a crime.
If you are not a policeman its not your job to start shooting at people who you feel are breaking the law (you are a bystander after all, not the ones being shot at)

If you are inside a shop and armed criminals enter with firearms and start pointing it towards yourself and other customers then automatically your life is in danger. It does not matter if they are robbing only you or only the store.

They have already commited a crime without shooting a shot off. Seeing a shop being robbed from across the street is a different story as you are then only trying to be a cowboy, unless there is a 3rd party in the shop which you have a legal interest in.

 

[CAPS LOCK]

Then correct me

Begin with the understanding that, in law, a principle-based approach in matters like murder is best undertaken at a very-very broad level - the panopoly of possible scenarios intermingled with the complex elements for criminal liability, I believe, requires a casuistic analysis of the factual situation. One could easily write pages and pages, on for e.g the causation element alone, and several hundred more on culpability, then several more on unlawfulness etc etc, none of which would be of any judicious value if the factual scenario in the above posts merely state 'I shoot at a suspect robber and I take an innocent life by mistake...' - it would not be possible to conclude what the court's position will be with merely those facts ....law is way too complex. Hope Im making sense to you

 

[House]

If you are inside a shop and armed criminals enter with firearms and start pointing it towards yourself and other customers then automatically your life is in danger. It does not matter if they are robbing only you or only the store.

They have already commited a crime without shooting a shot off. Seeing a shop being robbed from across the street is a different story as you are then only trying to be a cowboy, unless there is a 3rd party in the shop which you have a legal interest in.

No sane person - no matter who he/she is and how good a shot they are - will ever pull out a gun the moment 5-10 armed men storms a store and start pointing firearms and assaulting customers. The moment any of those clients attempts to pull a gun, a hail of bullets will rain down on him/her and everyone around him or her. Even if you do get the opportunity to pull your gun, you will be lucky if you down 2-3 robbers, but by that time the rest will kill you.

In such circumstances you are out-manned and out-gunned. All odds are against you and you will not get out alive.

Your best option to take these robbers on will be from another location outside the store.

 

[adrianx]

I must say that I feel very strongly that kids (especially little boys) should not be encouraged to play with toy guns, tanks, toy soldiers... It reeks of government level brainwashing.

Flame me as much as you like, but if you allow your sons and daughters to play with adult toys like guns, you may as well buy them mini vibrators and fleshlights. I can see no difference.

Edit: except that vibrators and fleshlights are less evil!

 

[koeksGHT]

I must say that I feel very strongly that kids (especially little boys) should not be encouraged to play with toy guns, tanks, toy soldiers... It reeks of government level brainwashing.

Flame me as much as you like, but if you allow your sons and daughters to play with adult toys like guns, you may as well buy them mini vibrators and fleshlights. I can see no difference.