I did not attack human scientific knowledge (Is there any other kind of scientific kowledge?). I also think it is safe to say I know more about evolution, and the genetic mechanisms of evolution than you do. I have no problem with evolution, in fact, I have seen evolution at work while observing fungi and bacteria. Does that mean I must believe that science (Although I myself is a scientist) has all the answers? Remember, a while ago it was believed (by scientists) that the earth is flat.jabulani said:Well let us try to answer this.
1. If it were merely a matter of beliefs, I would agree. Unfortunately the "believers" move from beliefs to reality and attack human scientific knowledge, alleging their beliefs to be "real" and "true", and some human science to be twaddle. This move into the realm of the physical world opens their beliefs up to attack, just as they attack scientific theory.
True, and I'm sorry if I offended any Great Flying Spaghetti Monsterians out there. I love Zapiro's cartoons, but I always thought he drew caricatures of real people? O yes, and thanks for the "half-syllables" as a believer I really have problems understanding complex stuff. So please explain to me what you mean with "half-syllables", I know monosyllables like hat, sit etc as I use them quite often (Seeing that I am intelectually challenged because I am a believer). But it seems to me half-syllables will make even less sense to someone as stupid as me?jabulani said:2. The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster is quite relevant to the debate, as has been explained in words of half-syllables for the benefit of the "believers". Ridicule, hyperbole and parody are quite valid means of expression and debate. Do you not look at the cartoons drawn by, e.g. Zapiro? Is Zapiro "childish" and does he contribute nothing to the debate? I think not.
There is a difference between debating the existance, non-existance of G-d, and ridiculing someone because he believes in G-d. I know it is the newest fad to be an Atheist, and it is your choice. You choose not to believe, and I choose to believe. As to your belief that religion is bad for the human race, maybe you can start a new thread on that and we can debate the issue, rather than call each other names?jabulani said:3. Fundamental to this thread, on the one hand, is creationism based in religion. If you believe that there is no knowable god, and that human belief in fictitious gods is bad for the human race, you get to attack the beliefs of others. If you don't like this type of heat, stay away from this fire.
And the earth is flat, it's true. I read it on internet!jabulani said:4. Many of the posts here are so f**king boring that a bit of the "invention of invisible playmates" goes a long way to lighten things up! Besides, the Spaghetti Monster is quite visible. You can see His Noodliness for yourself together with His Noodly Gospel on the web right here:
You are wrong, the aliens did it.....jabulani said:5. The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. Even Google says so: