Creation over Evolution

[Prometheus]

So let me get this straight ... the engineering knowledge & precision required to design & build the Giza pyramids was more complex then say .... the twin Petronas towers?

Yep you got it right. Well done.

As for people posting things like this:
http://www.exitmundi.nl/Planet-X.htm
If you want to refer me to disinformation sites then at least refer me to ones that have their facts right. The sumerians refered to planet X as the twelfth planet not the eleventh one as stated on that site. They viewed both the sun and the moon as planets, so if you count the planets in that drawing it adds up to twelve. Please refer me to people that know how to count next time.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Yep you got it right. Well done.

As for people posting things like this:
http://www.exitmundi.nl/Planet-X.htm
If you want to refer me to disinformation sites then at least refer me to ones that have their facts right. The sumerians refered to planet X as the twelfth planet not the eleventh one as stated on that site. They viewed both the sun and the moon as planets, so if you count the planets in that drawing it adds up to twelve. Please refer me to people that know how to count next time.

the part that you are referring to refers to the myth surrounding planet x. it says that

Planet X is the supposedly eleventh planet of our solar system.

whether the sumerians believed there were eleven or twelve planets is irrelevant because we know that thats wrong in any case. sumerian belief has no basis for argument since its just that, a belief.
then it goes on to explain the true story behind the myth

But eventually, in the 1980s and 1990s, the riddle was solved. There appeared to be no mystery planet involved at all. Neither is there some mysterious force pulling on Neptune’s orbit. The astronomers simply had their orbit calculations wrong. But with better techniques, it all added up. By now, no serious astronomer believes in Planet X anymore. Exit Planet X.

please scrutinize an article based on the merit on which it was written. if the article says something according to the myth, then dont quote it as saying that the article states this. selectively taking things out of context in order to try and prove a point actually disproves your point to someone who can look at the article in its entirety. wherever you look, the riddle behind planet x can be explained by an earth based cock-up on calculations used to predict the outer planets orbits

 

[Prometheus]

'Nibiru' is just the ancient word for 'ferry boat'.

Hahaha. What a laugh. Nibiru actually means "planet which crosses the skies" or "planet of the crossing".

Oh gosh, just saw this:

please scrutinize an article based on the merit on which it was written. if the article says something according to the myth, then dont quote it as saying that the article states this. selectively taking things out of context in order to try and prove a point actually disproves your point to someone who can look at the article in its entirety.

You read my post wrong. The article states that the myth says there's eleven planets when the myth says there's twelve planets. Again misinformation. They don't even know what the myth says.

 

[jabulani]

So let me get this straight ... the engineering knowledge & precision required to design & build the Giza pyramids was more complex then say .... the twin Petronas towers?

These clappers would say so. They are now experts in theology, nuclear physics, astrophysics, and engineering - see what you can achieve in a coupla days with internet access!


BTW The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster is offering free fettucine on Friday to any who would accept him into their stomachs and their lives!

Ramen!

 

[arf9999]

Jabulani, If I accept The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster into my life... er ..stomach, do I need to make a tithe of 10% of all my linguini?

 

[Highflyer_GP]

You read my post wrong. The article states that the myth says there's eleven planets when the myth says there's twelve planets. Again misinformation. They don't even know what the myth says.

perhaps you missed this part of my post

whether the sumerians believed there were eleven or twelve planets is irrelevant because we know that thats wrong in any case. sumerian belief has no basis for argument since its just that, a belief.

for them to consider the sun and moon as planets? come on reason with me here, if they can say that, what reason do we have to believe anything else that they hypothesised about.this is probably how this planet x thing became so talked about, because of sumerian belief. when astronomers got their orbital calculations of the outer planets wrong, this seemed to tie in with the belief that there had to be something else. sorry to burst any bubbles but there isnt

 

[Roman4604]

Yep you got it right. Well done.

And this you know by drawing on your years of experience & masters in civil engineering?

 

[jabulani]

Jabulani, If I accept The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster into my life... er ..stomach, do I need to make a tithe of 10% of all my linguini?

The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster is most generous by nature, and asks for only 5% of your linguine. In fact, his next big marketing thrust is based upon the value proposition of cut-price religion - HALF the price of Christianity and Islam. Who can resist???

 

[pupa]

the part that you are referring to refers to the myth surrounding planet x.

it says thatwhether the sumerians believed there were eleven or twelve planets is irrelevant because we know that thats wrong in any case.
sumerian belief has no basis for argument since its just that, a belief.
then it goes on to explain the true story behind the myth

please scrutinize an article based on the merit on which it was written. if the article says something according to the myth, then dont quote it as saying that the article states this. selectively taking things out of context in order to try and prove a point actually disproves your point to someone who can look at the article in its entirety. wherever you look, the riddle behind planet x can be explained by an earth based cock-up on calculations used to predict the outer planets orbits

Who the hell knows really what they were refering too? Was it maybe this they refered too? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050729_new_planet.html
Did they again know more than we do today?

 

[Prometheus]

And this you know by drawing on your years of experience & masters in civil engineering?

No, by drawing on the years of experience from people with actual degrees in civil engineering.

when astronomers got their orbital calculations of the outer planets wrong, this seemed to tie in with the belief that there had to be something else. sorry to burst any bubbles but there isnt

You mean the NASA astronomers who got it wrong the first time and are now saying the newest calculations are right. If they were wrong the first time then they surely can be wrong now. That's assuming they aren't lying now.
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Just realised that Jabulani has contributed what afrikaners call f@k@l to this thread. All he seems to want to do is criticise religion. How's that for disinformation?

 

[pupa]

These clappers would say so. They are now experts in theology, nuclear physics, astrophysics, and engineering - see what you can achieve in a coupla days with internet access!


BTW The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster is offering free fettucine on Friday to any who would accept him into their stomachs and their lives!

Ramen!

Do not get me wrong Jabu, Its not a shame that the Sub Saharan Africans did not achieve anything of mentioning in history, it was their culture to wait for evolution. But I must say there is lots of questions on how and with what the old folk did things eons ago at such precision with the knowledge we think the folks had thousands of years ago.

Then again your joke of a contribution to this thread is really and indication of your respect to others that do believe on something other than their stomachs such as the natives of southern Africa did as major reason to live 200+ years ago!

 

[arf9999]

Hey Pupa, if the shoe fits...

 

[pupa]

Hey Pupa, if the shoe fits...

I am glad Arf999 so now you can try it in he mouth Hehe.
Joking aside It is important to eat but the joke is on you pal!

 

[Highflyer_GP]

Who the hell knows really what they were refering too? Was it maybe this they refered too? http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050729_new_planet.html
Did they again know more than we do today?

was referring to this post:

As for planet X, it exists. It's a scientific fact. It's over 5 times the size of earth and over 100 times its mass. It has a magnetic core so powerful that it clashes with the electromagnetic fields of other planets in the solar system. A magnetic core powerful enough to swing around the magnetic core of earth. And guess what, it's heading our way again.

also remember that Planet X does not imply the tenth planet as in roman numerals, but as an actual name. its quite possible that more planets may exist, but not of the scale of size mentioned by Prometheus. pupa the link you posted is already common knowledge, however the object in question is at most twice the size of pluto, but estimate to be 1.5 times the size of pluto. nowhere near the 5 times the size of earth as mentioned earlier. i will try and post a link providing the planets sizes in relation to each other to give everyone a perspective on how relative the size of each body is to each other

You mean the NASA astronomers who got it wrong the first time and are now saying the newest calculations are right. If they were wrong the first time then they surely can be wrong now. That's assuming they aren't lying now.

if you actually read the wikipedia entry you'd realise that they used dated measuring equipment and techniques which accounts for the error in the first place. im sure you would agree that they weren't as technologically advanced in 1930 as we are now

Planet X was a large hypothetical planet orbiting beyond the orbit of Neptune. The X stands for "unknown", not the Roman number 10; there were only 8 known planets at the time. Its existence, first as a ninth planet, and after 1930 as a tenth, was postulated on the basis of apparent discrepancies in the orbits of the gas giants, especially those of Uranus and Neptune. Those discrepancies have largely been resolved by modern measurement, removing the basis for Planet X. besides this what you're saying is that although they realised where they were at fault and admitted to the public where it was, their explanation still isn't good enough? so let me ask you something, which explanation would satisfy you? going on erroneous calculations just so that it would tie in with your beliefs? thats not science my friend

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_x
for anyone else still having difficulty grasping the concept please read the entire entry before commenting any further.

 

[jabulani]

Do not get me wrong Jabu, Its not a shame that the Sub Saharan Africans did not achieve anything of mentioning in history, it was their culture to wait for evolution.

Now this is screamingly funny! Do I detect a .. hem hem... RACIAL slur here???? Are you inferring from my name that I am a bit on the ( monster forbid! ) DARK side???? So I must, therefore, be an ignorant "******"???? Is that what you think?

Methinks I am getting under their skin:

Just realised that Jabulani has contributed what afrikaners call f@k@l to this thread. All he seems to want to do is criticise religion. How's that for disinformation?

Just because you cannot understand my contribution does not mean it is not there! Just as because you cannot understand science and evolution, it must be rubbish???

Personally, not admitting to anything, I'd rather contribute f@k@l than the load of k@k you lot are contributing.

Sadly you condemn yourselves. The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster's Commandment Number 4 is:

Thou shalt not be f**king stupid!

Ramen!

 

[Prometheus]

if you actually read the wikipedia entry you'd realise that they used dated measuring equipment and techniques which accounts for the error in the first place. im sure you would agree that they weren't as technologically advanced in 1930 as we are now

Strange that the "error" seem to be so astronomically large, yet they have calculated the sizes of the other 9 planets more or less correctly...

The X stands for "unknown", not the Roman number 10

Funny the X also stands for ten, it was some of the original astronomers who found it that dubbed it X for this reason.



****, just saw this.

The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster's Commandment Number 4 is:

Thou shalt not be f**king stupid!

What the hell are you trying to say, talk english or at least some other african language. Even though I don't know any african language, just maybe I'll understand a translation of it.



btw. I chose "african language" because that's the only thing left as I'm afrikaans, so it wasn't meant as a racial slur.

 

[Highflyer_GP]

dude read the wiki entry before commenting on things that are answered there. X is for unknown, not 10. im seriously getting tired of repeating myself over and over. as i said before, if you have proof pertaining to something then please provide us with it. but dont speculate on things. provide proof that "the original astronomers" dubbed it X for reason of calling it 10. if thats the case you just disproved your own theory that its five times larger than earth. if you read the link posted by pupa, they believe they may have found something approximately 1.5 times the size of pluto. look at the picture below in order to get a sense of how big everything is in relation to each other. and please validate any future argument with proof, and not just speculation by using terms like "scientists say this" and "scientists say that". if you're going to mention anything that a scientist has claimed, then validate it with proof. otherwise you have no basis for argument.

as promised heres a picture showing each body in our solar system in relation to each other.
http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture18nk.jpg

 

[pupa]

Now this is screamingly funny! Do I detect a .. hem hem... RACIAL slur here???? Are you inferring from my name that I am a bit on the ( monster forbid! ) DARK side???? So I must, therefore, be an ignorant "******"???? Is that what you think?

Methinks I am getting under their skin:



Just because you cannot understand my contribution does not mean it is not there! Just as because you cannot understand science and evolution, it must be rubbish???

Personally, not admitting to anything, I'd rather contribute f@k@l than the load of k@k you lot are contributing.


Sadly you condemn yourselves. The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster's Commandment Number 4 is:



Ramen!

You said it all! And I see you quote Ramen regards yourself #4 ? I am having a laugh as I read your post. I take it where it comes from. Hehe!
And we know you got the shiite you vomit here http://www.venganza.org/ as reference from another thread a few days back. and yes your contribution is F*All

 

[jabulani]

and yes your contribution is F*All

Now now, no need to get perthonal and be nathty to me! ( Thorry - got thome thpaghetti thtuck in my teeth! )

Thtill think I'm an ignorant darkie???

 

[pip]

Now now, no need to get perthonal and be nathty to me! ( Thorry - got thome thpaghetti thtuck in my teeth! )

Thtill think I'm an ignorant darkie???

ROFL