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Unhappy438
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Although i suspect Space was being sarcastic, whats with your Putin crush? Do you want to have his babies or something?
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Crisis in Ukraine
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Although i suspect Space was being sarcastic, whats with your Putin crush? Do you want to have his babies or something?
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Yeah I was being sarcastic. People forget that nationality means a lot over there. Russians will still see themselves as Russian regardless of Putin.
Was that a serious response. We need balance here with all the kooks spouting cr*p.
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So its not the sake of truth, just the sake of balance, understood.
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So basically most of the main cities in eastern Ukraine have had their admin buildings taken over, attempts now to take over things like airports.
Pro Russian twitter account to follow these activities for anyone interested
https://twitter.com/NOVORUSSIA2014
Pro Russian twitter account to follow these activities for anyone interested
https://twitter.com/NOVORUSSIA2014
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https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/452893446429491201
Some russian tanks on ukrainian border already painted with 'peacekeeping' slogans. How much longer until the 'humanitarian intervention'?
Some russian tanks on ukrainian border already painted with 'peacekeeping' slogans. How much longer until the 'humanitarian intervention'?
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PRO-RUSSIANS RULE THE ROOST AFTER TENSE DAY IN UKRAINE'S SECOND CITY
by Fran BLANDY
Vastly outnumbered, a small group of pro-European protesters were ordered to their knees on the streets of Ukraine's eastern city of Kharkiv on Sunday for a humiliating ritual.
"Crawl to your Europe!" shouted members of a heaving pro-Russian crowd who had grabbed the group in unclear circumstances after a day of peaceful rival protests in the city which, only 40 kilometres (27 miles) from the Russian border, has been torn in two by an East-West tug-of-war over Ukraine's future.
The baying mob shoved and chanted "Kharkiv is a Russian city!" as they harried their terrified prey, crawling on their knees down the steep cobbled street, protected by riot police who formed a corridor around them but did little to stop the spectacle.
Spat on, kicked and abused, the men were eventually bundled into a waiting police van.
It was a rapid deterioration of what had been a largely peaceful meeting on the city's Freedom Square -- one of Europe's largest -- an hour or so earlier.
Pro-Russian movements horrified by events in Kiev, where a pro-Western government took power in February, demanded autonomy in the latest protest in the country's second city.
Russian speakers in the east feel greater ties to Moscow, accused of whipping up separatist sentiment in the region by urging that Ukraine become a federal state.
This demand comes after Russian troops seized the mainly Russian-speaking Crimea in response to the ouster of a Moscow-friendly regime in Kiev.
"This new government came to rule with force," says mother of three Emily Belkina, 31, lifting her hands as if she was holding a gun and making shooting sounds.
"You understand, with guns in their hands, and we don't have our representative in the new government.
"We need federalisation, it's the only thing that can save us!"
As some 2,000 people gathered under a colossal statue of Lenin, World War II songs and radio broadcasts spurred on toothless babushkas nostalgic for the Soviet Union and a younger generation for whom Kiev and its Western aspirations are just too far away.
"Federalisation means at least more autonomy and more power for our region, including the right to choose how to live our life," said Alexander, 32, an employee at an avionics factory in the industrial hub which relies heavily on trade with Russia.
Only a few hundred metres away under a statue of Ukraine's national hero, the poet Taras Shevchenko, a gathering of pro-Europeans had the feel of a family picnic, a band plays and children and dogs run around nearby on a grassy park.
As tensions ran high with the capture and humiliation of the group of pro-Europeans, news quickly spread that fellow Moscow sympathisers in the city of Donetsk had seized the seat of government without opposition from police, and in Lugansk had managed to break into a local security service building.
"All to the regional council! Let us support Donetsk and Lugansk," a speaker urged the crowd gathered at Lenin's feet.
The regional council, an imposing building on the opposite end of the massive square, had for hours been carefully guarded by about 500 riot police crammed into rows. Helmeted and carrying metal shields they appeared an impermeable barricade.
As the sun set behind the Lenin statue, casting an enormous shadow across the square, the crowd slowly grew. A convoy of vehicles led by a Soviet-era Lada arrived noisily in front of the regional council and more protesters carrying a variety of pro-Russian flags spilled out.
Within an hour, chanting "Russia, Russia" the protesters buoyed by the success in other cities took on the police blockade.
But the officers had been ordered not to use force and stepped aside with barely a murmur, allowing the protesters to swarm the building, remove the Ukrainian flag flying on top and plant a blue, white and red Russian flag in its place.
As the protesters celebrated and looked on, taking pictures, the police milled around laughing, leaning on their shields, chatting with people in the crowd and smoking cigarettes.
With some 40,000 Russian troops stationed on the other side of Ukraine's eastern border, and two key city councils under control of pro-Moscow protesters, Kiev's new government will wake up to a stiff new challenge.
Source : Sapa-AFP /gm
Date : 07 Apr 2014 03:38
by Fran BLANDY
Vastly outnumbered, a small group of pro-European protesters were ordered to their knees on the streets of Ukraine's eastern city of Kharkiv on Sunday for a humiliating ritual.
"Crawl to your Europe!" shouted members of a heaving pro-Russian crowd who had grabbed the group in unclear circumstances after a day of peaceful rival protests in the city which, only 40 kilometres (27 miles) from the Russian border, has been torn in two by an East-West tug-of-war over Ukraine's future.
The baying mob shoved and chanted "Kharkiv is a Russian city!" as they harried their terrified prey, crawling on their knees down the steep cobbled street, protected by riot police who formed a corridor around them but did little to stop the spectacle.
Spat on, kicked and abused, the men were eventually bundled into a waiting police van.
It was a rapid deterioration of what had been a largely peaceful meeting on the city's Freedom Square -- one of Europe's largest -- an hour or so earlier.
Pro-Russian movements horrified by events in Kiev, where a pro-Western government took power in February, demanded autonomy in the latest protest in the country's second city.
Russian speakers in the east feel greater ties to Moscow, accused of whipping up separatist sentiment in the region by urging that Ukraine become a federal state.
This demand comes after Russian troops seized the mainly Russian-speaking Crimea in response to the ouster of a Moscow-friendly regime in Kiev.
"This new government came to rule with force," says mother of three Emily Belkina, 31, lifting her hands as if she was holding a gun and making shooting sounds.
"You understand, with guns in their hands, and we don't have our representative in the new government.
"We need federalisation, it's the only thing that can save us!"
As some 2,000 people gathered under a colossal statue of Lenin, World War II songs and radio broadcasts spurred on toothless babushkas nostalgic for the Soviet Union and a younger generation for whom Kiev and its Western aspirations are just too far away.
"Federalisation means at least more autonomy and more power for our region, including the right to choose how to live our life," said Alexander, 32, an employee at an avionics factory in the industrial hub which relies heavily on trade with Russia.
Only a few hundred metres away under a statue of Ukraine's national hero, the poet Taras Shevchenko, a gathering of pro-Europeans had the feel of a family picnic, a band plays and children and dogs run around nearby on a grassy park.
As tensions ran high with the capture and humiliation of the group of pro-Europeans, news quickly spread that fellow Moscow sympathisers in the city of Donetsk had seized the seat of government without opposition from police, and in Lugansk had managed to break into a local security service building.
"All to the regional council! Let us support Donetsk and Lugansk," a speaker urged the crowd gathered at Lenin's feet.
The regional council, an imposing building on the opposite end of the massive square, had for hours been carefully guarded by about 500 riot police crammed into rows. Helmeted and carrying metal shields they appeared an impermeable barricade.
As the sun set behind the Lenin statue, casting an enormous shadow across the square, the crowd slowly grew. A convoy of vehicles led by a Soviet-era Lada arrived noisily in front of the regional council and more protesters carrying a variety of pro-Russian flags spilled out.
Within an hour, chanting "Russia, Russia" the protesters buoyed by the success in other cities took on the police blockade.
But the officers had been ordered not to use force and stepped aside with barely a murmur, allowing the protesters to swarm the building, remove the Ukrainian flag flying on top and plant a blue, white and red Russian flag in its place.
As the protesters celebrated and looked on, taking pictures, the police milled around laughing, leaning on their shields, chatting with people in the crowd and smoking cigarettes.
With some 40,000 Russian troops stationed on the other side of Ukraine's eastern border, and two key city councils under control of pro-Moscow protesters, Kiev's new government will wake up to a stiff new challenge.
Source : Sapa-AFP /gm
Date : 07 Apr 2014 03:38
Fulcrum29
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I'm lost between all the Twitter feeds and media houses. Why don't the major media houses report on things that the independent or smaller media houses and reporters are reporting on?
Apparently, the riots are being instigated by Putin as established by radio intercepts... Why don't we hear anything in line with this from the European and American major media outlets?
I think there is way too much propaganda on every side, this is like pushing people's opinion in supporting a full waged war.
Apparently, the riots are being instigated by Putin as established by radio intercepts... Why don't we hear anything in line with this from the European and American major media outlets?
I think there is way too much propaganda on every side, this is like pushing people's opinion in supporting a full waged war.
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Smaller media seems to be more focused on reporting predominately Ukrainian news, so more specific with their news. Here is a nice live feed to follow http://www.rferl.org/contentlive/live-blog-ukraine-crisis/25312563.html#liveblog29294
Yeah follow this guy, hes listening to Russian radio chatter https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine
Pretty much if you follow the bigger media outlets.
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PRO-RUSSIANS CLEARED FROM GOVT BUILDING IN UKRAINE'S KHARKIV: MINISTER
Pro-Russian demonstrators who had taken over a government building in Ukraine's eastern city of Kharkiv at the weekend have been cleared from the site, the interior minister said on Monday.
The building "has been completely freed of separatists" Arsen Avakov wrote on his Facebook page. "Thanks to all those who offered their help," he wrote, without specifying how the protesters were removed from the building.
On Sunday, activists shouting "Russia!" broke through police lines and stormed several government buildings in eastern Ukrainian regions seeking independence from Kiev following last month's fall of a pro-Kremlin regime.
In addition to Kharkiv, the protesters had taken over state buildings in Donetsk and Lugansk.
The clashes provided another reminder to the untested pro-Western leaders in Kiev of the monumental task facing them after their February 22 overthrow of pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych.
The unrest also came with Ukraine's borders surrounded by Russian troops who had earlier seized the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea and the economy in tatters after decades of mismanagement and government theft.
Several eastern regions now want to stage referendums on joining Kremlin rule when Ukraine holds snap presidential polls on May 25.
Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 07 Apr 2014 10:38
Pro-Russian demonstrators who had taken over a government building in Ukraine's eastern city of Kharkiv at the weekend have been cleared from the site, the interior minister said on Monday.
The building "has been completely freed of separatists" Arsen Avakov wrote on his Facebook page. "Thanks to all those who offered their help," he wrote, without specifying how the protesters were removed from the building.
On Sunday, activists shouting "Russia!" broke through police lines and stormed several government buildings in eastern Ukrainian regions seeking independence from Kiev following last month's fall of a pro-Kremlin regime.
In addition to Kharkiv, the protesters had taken over state buildings in Donetsk and Lugansk.
The clashes provided another reminder to the untested pro-Western leaders in Kiev of the monumental task facing them after their February 22 overthrow of pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovych.
The unrest also came with Ukraine's borders surrounded by Russian troops who had earlier seized the Black Sea peninsula of Crimea and the economy in tatters after decades of mismanagement and government theft.
Several eastern regions now want to stage referendums on joining Kremlin rule when Ukraine holds snap presidential polls on May 25.
Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 07 Apr 2014 10:38
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RUSSIA TRYING TO 'DISMEMBER UKRAINE': PM YATSENYUK
Ukrainian prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Monday accused Russia of being behind a series of seizures by protesters of regional government buildings and said Moscow was trying to 'dismember' his country.
"There is a plan to destabilise the situation, a plan for foreign forces to cross the border and seize the territory of the country, which we will not allow," Yatsenyuk told a government meeting. "This scenario is written by the Russian Federation and it's only purpose is to dismember Ukraine."
Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 07 Apr 2014 10:40
Ukrainian prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk on Monday accused Russia of being behind a series of seizures by protesters of regional government buildings and said Moscow was trying to 'dismember' his country.
"There is a plan to destabilise the situation, a plan for foreign forces to cross the border and seize the territory of the country, which we will not allow," Yatsenyuk told a government meeting. "This scenario is written by the Russian Federation and it's only purpose is to dismember Ukraine."
Source : Sapa-AFP /mr
Date : 07 Apr 2014 10:40
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People inside ODA Donetsk , have read the deceleration of Independence of Donetsk, which was voted in by who knows what means, claiming referendum to join Russia no later than May 11th.
Live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77
Live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/artem77
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Further more to Donetsk situation: In the case of Ukraine central govn't trying to interfere they will address Russia to send troops for protection.
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Major Russian propaganda news sites running this headline now
Legislature of just proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic asks Putin to move in peacekeepers
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/726787
http://russian.rt.com/article/26756
Legislature of just proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic asks Putin to move in peacekeepers
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/726787
http://russian.rt.com/article/26756
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getting interesting.
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You find the very likely possibility of a war interesting?
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I don't see a war here.
I only can see a dismembered ukraine + NATO and US will not do anything. that is interesting.
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If Russia moves in with these "peacekeeping" troops i cant see anything but a war.