Crossing Solid Line on Exiting Private Driveway

campsbayrich said:
Yup; entrances into estates aren't a problem as they are usually official intersections and the solid line (if there is one) has been broken. It's private driveways that I'm most interested in. But I think it's correct that if it's a solid line, you shouldn't be crossing it, regardless.
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You can request that the municipality change the solid line to a dotted line / install the correct traffic signs for a hidden driveway / etc.
 
SauRoNZA said:
No the double solid with stripes in the middle is just as illegal to cross as a single.

It's specifically there to indicate no overtaking at the given point in time and when it opens up again with the solid line falling away on a side you can overtake only FROM that side so as to cross from the stripes over the solid and never from the solid into the stripes.


But in my opinion an emergency (a real one) the last thing I'm going to worry about is a silly painted line...especially a retarded one such as described here where it's in a residential area.
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I had it the wrong way around:

ands45 said:
According to the K53 manual the single solid line is just a no over taking line and you can cross it to access property on the other side or to avoid an obstruction. http://k53.gavinhoole.ws/no-overtakingno-crossing-road-markings/

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YingYang said:
^ this is why I bought a brand-spanking-new forklift.

Once I'm out on the street I use the forklift to lift my car over the solid line so that I can proceed to the right.

Forklifts don't have license plates so the traffic officer can suck it!
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But if they are used on a public road they must comply with the road worthy requirements, have lights & be registered.
 
Pitbull said:
Why this issue though? What happened, you want to complain about your neighbour?

Edit: actually, I just thought about this now. My house is on a bend. If I need to turn left into my yard without crossing the line, people coming from behind will run into my car if I wait for the gate to open. They cant see around the bend from that side. If however I cross the line to enter people behind me can see I'm about to turn as that section of the road is straight. So it's safer to break the law than abide by it in my case then. And yes, it's a solid line.
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I was researching it because one of my staff members had a near fatal accident on the weekend when a guy pulled out in front of him from his driveway. My guy was on a scooter and went head on into the front right hand side of his car.

The main problem was a couple of cars illegally parked on the curb which obscured the guys in the car's view of the oncoming lane, but it got me to thinking about whether he should have been exiting to cross the white line, or whether he should have been going down the road.
 
K53 isn't the law last time I checked though? It's just a guideline based on the laws and therefore isn't 100% in all such cases?

Might be wrong.
 
SauRoNZA said:
K53 isn't the law last time I checked though? It's just a guideline based on the laws and therefore isn't 100% in all such cases?

Might be wrong.
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More from the K53:

"Both of the two markings above are regulatory markings and must be obeyed."
 
campsbayrich said:
I was researching it because one of my staff members had a near fatal accident on the weekend when a guy pulled out in front of him from his driveway. My guy was on a scooter and went head on into the front right hand side of his car.

The main problem was a couple of cars illegally parked on the curb which obscured the guys in the car's view of the oncoming lane, but it got me to thinking about whether he should have been exiting to cross the white line, or whether he should have been going down the road.
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so very sorry to hear. If the vehicles parked was facing oncoming traffic even when parked that is illegal.
 
AdrianH said:
I see many motorcyclists often cross solid white lines multiple times when "lane-splitting" coming up to an intersection to get to the front of all the cars. Unfortunately it seems that lane-splitting is not very well understand by many including drivers and motorcyclists.
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I won't claim to be an angel and say that I've never done that, especially skipping ahead to stop at the front, but in general "lane splitting" implies "lane sharing" with another vehicle and staying in the same lane.

So yes crossing the line to lane split is illegal and I try to not do it whenever possible. When it comes to striped lines I also try to do a full lane change with an indicator where possible and stay in that lane for extended period of time instead of swerving back and forth.

However and this is the flamesuit on part...solid lines are generally more applicable (from a physical point of view) to cars and other larger vehicles that would cause an obstruction when they are crossed. In most cases a motorcycle won't be causing an obstruction for anyone when crossing the very same line and that's where we apply the "grey" area logic.

It's physically impossible for a car to cross a solid line to get to the front of a queue for instance without blocking someone else or driving into them. The same doesn't apply to a motorcycle and therefore one has to reason that the solid line isn't equally applicable.

Yes it's still illegal, I'm just explaining the logic.
 
SauRoNZA said:
I won't claim to be an angel and say that I've never done that, especially skipping ahead to stop at the front, but in general "lane splitting" implies "lane sharing" with another vehicle and staying in the same lane.

So yes crossing the line to lane split is illegal and I try to not do it whenever possible. When it comes to striped lines I also try to do a full lane change with an indicator where possible and stay in that lane for extended period of time instead of swerving back and forth.

However and this is the flamesuit on part...solid lines are generally more applicable (from a physical point of view) to cars and other larger vehicles that would cause an obstruction when they are crossed. In most cases a motorcycle won't be causing an obstruction for anyone when crossing the very same line and that's where we apply the "grey" area logic.

It's physically impossible for a car to cross a solid line to get to the front of a queue for instance without blocking someone else or driving into them. The same doesn't apply to a motorcycle and therefore one has to reason that the solid line isn't equally applicable.

Yes it's still illegal, I'm just explaining the logic.
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I don't drive on the line, either on the other side of it or this side. I have found these white solid lines way to slippery. So yes, I cross the solid line, fine me.

Btw, getting my Bike back next week Tuesday /dance
 
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