Crystal Web (NEW ISP) ADSL Feedback

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The big cause of all these price/shaping/contention problems is Telkom. They are taking way too big a slice of the pie. They charge exorbitant prices for their services and we have no option but to pay. I would love to know what percentage of my internet costs go to Telkom (including ADSL line and data).

it comes out ever now and then on MyBB and its always above 65% - close to 80% at the moment though

however in Telkom's defence they are the main investor in the game, BUT until they embrace LLU and stop being stupid that isn't going to change
more importantly that number can stay the same with Telkom "wholesale" being the main investor WHILE still delivering better products through ISPs (including Telkom Internet) - the real problem is that Telkom are covering years of stupidity and bad investment decisions and certain revenue streams (historically Diginet for example) by shafting over the ecosystem; and this needs to change
 
And there's the other dynamic. Some of our biggest users are actually streaming and not downloading. Now normally an ISP would try to incentivise high usage clients to download in off-peak, but there's only a certain time of the day that one can stream. i.e. when you're at home. So what do you do?

We're fast going to see a premium time-based product unless Telkom come to the party with some surprisingly large IPC cost reductions. If everyone wants max throughput from 5pm onwards then what you're left with is a situation where peak hours are now extended, and peak hours are premium usage hours. We can do some cool things with this as well, but it's expensive.

Or...talk to us about fibre. ;)

TBH on average I would most probably hit 180GB a month. With this unshaped account and YouTube and Netflix pushing everything to HD it is WAY more. I did however force netflix on SD as I can't be bothered with HD. Half the time my glasses are dirtyish and the other half I don't know where they are, so can't see the difference. :P
 
So a home account should not be streaming, or downloading off steam(note you can only see how big a game is AFTER you buy it)......whats your "entry" level product? facebook with a couple emails?

This is the nonsense we're trying to put an end to. A home account should work for home users, and what we're saying is that we won't market anything for home use if it's not fit for purpose. I think you're taking this too personally, whereas my post was intended as a general statement.

You're currently not "abusing" our network, and we're loathe to call people abusers in the first place.
 
Man, people seriously download the internet. I stream netflix and Hulu mostly and I only hit 70gb a month. I hope that I stay unshaped forever with my usages.
 
Then everyone wraps up their downloads in put.io? The relationship between an ISP and its customers must be sustainable - we can't simply release everything and shut up shop in 6 months time. People often get really upset (and rightly so) in SA about thresholds, shaping, throttling and so on, and it's largely a few incumbent ISPs' faults for this in the first place. I have no sympathy for them because they brought it on themselves by initiating price-wars in the first place in an attempt to gain market share.

Customers need to look at their usage patterns and select the correct product for their needs, not based on price alone but rather the quality of the overall experience as the deciding factor. Affordability obviously still plays a role, no doubt, but the responsibility is up to the ISP to ensure that a reasonably priced product is available, and is advertised honestly, to ALLOW the end user to select accordingly. We've come to the conclusion that no single account type will please everyone until we can offer uncontended ADSL at current prices. And that's not going to happen for a long time, or at least until there are some drastic changes in the wholesale market.

This is why we try to be transparent and open with you guys. ADSL bandwidth in SA is expensive. IP address space is expensive. Maintaining a network is expensive. Running a full-fledged, sustainable ISP is expensive. There's no beating around the bush. Having a price-war in the market without input cost reductions is short-term stupidity, and lands up with you having to later on make drastic changes to your, um, "corporate structure", and products, to the ultimate detriment of the wider market and end user.

What's happened in this market over the last year or so if mybroadband users are honest about this with themselves? It's gone backwards - business accounts now have thresholds; uncapped accounts now all tend to have thresholds, even those from ISPs who promised they never would; users are actively being encouraged to move to capped products by their ISPs; capped products are shaped; shaping is applied more than it's ever been before etc.

Why? Because uncapped pricing was dropped to the floor in an unsustainable manner, by ISPs with big budgets to do so in an attempt to gain market share - to the ultimate detriment of who? The consumer. Consumers now have a pricing and quality of service expectation that's often fairly unrealistic. What's this leaderboard of downloaders nonsense all about as well? While you're instituting new draconian shaping policies because your users are downloading too much? Consumers are played like the proverbial fiddle at the moment - having to change ISPs every few months because .

Our core values are not premised around being the cheapest in the market at all. You ultimately get what you pay for. We will have a cheap product, but don't expect much from it (from your average mybroadband user's perspective at least). Don't expect unshaped http downloads. Don't expect nntp and p2p priority in any way. And don't expect streaming priority. Rather, we have a correctly priced product for you if your usage demands require any mix of the aforementioned activities. And likewise, we're not going to try to market the entry-level product as anything more than it is. We have that responsibility.

Anyways, that's my Sunday rant over for now. Apologies for the lengthy answer to a simple question. :D
You lost me in the first sentence. I don't know what put.io is, but I get what you say from there on. For me it is simple. If I can do up to about 350 - 400GB month I'm happy. I've never done 350GB, but I would like to have that safety for a 4Mbps line if I need it.

My Http speed needs for day hours are 100% legit. I'm not sure what the put.io does, but I assume it by passes P2P downloads? I already download P2P and Nttp from 00:00 - 06:00, so I don't have an issue with that.

So that is why I made my original statement regarding httpat line speed during business hours.

I am an honest user with a very active household with regards to downloads and gaming. By honest, I mean that I don't try to bypass or hide what I'm downloading.

My usage is close to 250GB per month, but I don't try to bypass anything and most of it is done in the ghost hours. The only streaming I do are YouTube clips and occasional SS games.

I understand what you are saying regarding expenses and buy into it.

All I'm saying is that I hope you guys have a profile where I can fit, without buying a super expensive business account.
 
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All I'm saying is that I hope you guys have a profile where I can fit, without buying a super expensive business account.
That is the plan, on 250 gigs we'll need you to definitely put some of that usage at really off peak time and we'll need you to rally in some low usage troops as well ...
 
You lost me in the first sentence. I don't know what put.io is, but I get what you say from there on. For me it is simple. If I can do up to about 350 - 400GB month I'm happy. I've never done 350GB, but I would like to have that safety for a 4Mbps line if I need it. My Http speed needs for day hours are 100% legit. I'm not what the put.io does, but I assume it bypass P2P downloads? I already download P2P and Nttp from 00:00 - 06:00, so I don't have an issue with that.

So that is why I made my original statement regarding httpat line speed during business hours.

I am an honest user with a very active household with regards to downloads and gaming. By honest, I mean that I don't try to bypass or hide what I'm downloading.

My usage is close to 250GB per month, but I don't try to bypass anything and most of it is done in the ghost hours. The only streaming I do are YouTube clips and occasional SS games.

I understand what you are saying regarding expenses and buy into it.

All I'm saying is that I hope you guys have a profile where I can fit, without buying a super expensive business account.

The issue is that honest users like yourself are mixed in the fray with dishonest users who try to bypass shaping intentionally on the network. If an ISP wants to run an efficient network, then some form of management has to happen - either as man-management as in "Hi dear user, you're being a twat, please stop" (in more polite terms) or by ensuring that the network picks this up immediately and attempts to put an end to it somehow, at least on accounts where this sort of usage is not intended.

We're putting together accounts to fit the general market requirements, while keeping them simple to understand, and that give you decent connectivity. We want our users on the right accounts, and we don't believe in this home and business marketing nonsense either.
 
This is the nonsense we're trying to put an end to. A home account should work for home users, and what we're saying is that we won't market anything for home use if it's not fit for purpose. I think you're taking this too personally, whereas my post was intended as a general statement.

You're currently not "abusing" our network, and we're loathe to call people abusers in the first place.
you shouldn't start a paragraph with "Let's take your usage" if you want people not to take it personally :P
 
I loved the earlier post from CW though. When looking at Afripeeps on this forum, no matter what you say they always give this calm answer and afterwards you are left with a bigger ? Here you know where you stand, what is expected from you. No were testing this or that might be wrong, it's simply "hey mofo, stop downloading 24/7 and give the others a chance" ( I might get flamed for that last part ) :D
 
it's simply "hey mofo, stop downloading 24/7 and give the others a chance"
I'll never send an email starting with "hey mofo" it will have to be "Dear Mofo" and thats only if I can't establish the preferred title "Dear Dr Mofo" ....
 
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