"DA Closing in on ANC"

marine1 said:
Excuse me??/ Vavi should look in the mirror, I have never heard such utter crap coming from someone who is doing the exact same thing. :rolleyes:
People in glass house......
It may be true what he is saying but he is exactly the same.
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+1

Now to figure out what his endgame is...
 
ChocolateBadger said:
Why?
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Less readily available infrastructure, funds. Deeply rooted ANC support as well as deeply rooted corruption which is at this point pretty much endemic to the region. Combine that with a general trend of low/shoddy education and a higher than normal poverty and you have a recipe for something that's quite hard to govern effectively. There's a lot of work ahead to get things done in the EC - I'm not saying it's impossible at all but it is going to be very difficult. I'm keen though :D
 
AntiThesis said:
Less readily available infrastructure, funds. Deeply rooted ANC support as well as deeply rooted corruption which is at this point pretty much endemic to the region. Combine that with a general trend of low/shoddy education and a higher than normal poverty and you have a recipe for something that's quite hard to govern effectively. There's a lot of work ahead to get things done in the EC - I'm not saying it's impossible at all but it is going to be very difficult. I'm keen though :D
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that's the spirit! :D
 
AntiThesis said:
Less readily available infrastructure, funds. Deeply rooted ANC support as well as deeply rooted corruption which is at this point pretty much endemic to the region. Combine that with a general trend of low/shoddy education and a higher than normal poverty and you have a recipe for something that's quite hard to govern effectively. There's a lot of work ahead to get things done in the EC - I'm not saying it's impossible at all but it is going to be very difficult. I'm keen though :D
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And a reason why the DA should have a shot at governing there. Could you imagine if they pulled it right? Then again, if they failed, that's plenty of ammunition for their detractors.
 
thestaggy said:
And a reason why the DA should have a shot at governing there. Could you imagine if they pulled it right? Then again, if they failed, that's plenty of ammunition for their detractors.
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Irrespective of whether they get it right or wrong, the day they seize power from the ANC will be quite a telling one. Will they go quietly, or will they call upon their members to 'unite' (read protest violently)?
 
Albereth said:
Why? I don't get this prediction of massive demonstrations. Surely if the DA enjoys equal power it follows that they enjoy equal support
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Mike Hoxbig said:
Irrespective of whether they get it right or wrong, the day they seize power from the ANC will be quite a telling one. Will they go quietly, or will they call upon their members to 'unite' (read protest violently)?
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Maybe in the future when, and IF, South Africa matures, but if the DA had to win the general elections within the decade, I get the idea that there will be a lot of rabble-rousers spewing ''return of Apartheid'' nonsense and a transition will be less than peaceful. I also believe certain elements will attempt to make the country ungovernable under DA leadership.

The DA is still seen as a white party, even though they are the only party that has proven to be multiracial, and a lot of people will not accept them in power. South Africa is just too immature to be led by the DA at the moment, which is sad, as this country desperately needs a change.
 
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AntiThesis said:
Here's the thing - the great big dirty thing. I'm a DA member, I am an active member of my branch and I sit on my local Ward Committee. So I do have some perspective - and the DA isn't ready to rule SA. I wouldn't want them to win the next general election - it'd probably be on of the worst possible outcomes.

Quite honestly, this slow increase is the best thing for the DA since it shows where and how they govern well and it also means they get to learn how to govern something on a larger scale bit by bit. So it's good that it's slow.

I observed the counting at the last election (never again! So boring!) and the numbers were pretty telling. The DA is making inroads, the ANC is strong and the other parties are pretty much non-existent. Taking PE would be a good experiment - with any luck they'll take it and actually run it well but I suspect there's a large difference between CT in the Western Cape and PE in the Eastern Cape.
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Hey, you are looking at this from an East London, Eastern Cape perspective. The DA are more ready to rule than the ANC ever will be. Even in East London we have some very competent players. Like John Cupido and Lance Weyer. Since East London is an ANC stronghold, you cant expect the DA to have the best and brightest here. You need to see things on a national level or in a province the DA controls.

The DA people and councillors I deal with in East London are incredibly competent. Ive never met the Cambridge people so perhaps theyre not ready.

These predictions I have seen about the decline of ANC power are exactly in line with the projections Ive seen in DA meetings. They expect to only get the EC by 2025.
 
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ghoti said:
Hey, you are looking at this from an East London, Eastern Cape perspective. The DA are more ready to rule than the ANC ever will be. Even in East London we have some very competent players. Like John Cupido and Lance Weyer. Since East London is an ANC stronghold, you cant expect the DA to have the best and brightest here. You need to see things on a national level or in a province the DA controls.
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The fact that the DA are more ready than the ANC is more because the ANC are so bloody awful in so many ways. I am thinking Nationally, truly, and I don't believe that the DA is currently ready to rule overall. They need to grow into the full maturity of the party. Once that's done, they'll be unstoppable.

The DA people and councillors I deal with in East London are incredibly competent. Ive never met the Cambridge people so perhaps theyre not ready.
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They are competent - that's one of the things that leads me to believe that they will grow to be the party that will win and will consistently deliver in all provinces. One of the differences with Cambridge is the situation of Cambridge Location. The people are pissed off. In a huge way - and although they're being failed by the municipality at large, they see it as the local Councillor's fault.

These predictions I have seen about the decline of ANC power are exactly in line with the projections Ive seen in DA meetings. They expect to only get the EC by 2025.
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Been to the same meetings (how did I ever miss you at these things?) - and I agree with the projections. And they fit with my own personal predictions as well. It'll take time, a long time but we'll get there. Like I said, I'm keen :)
 
AntiThesis said:
The fact that the DA are more ready than the ANC is more because the ANC are so bloody awful in so many ways. I am thinking Nationally, truly, and I don't believe that the DA is currently ready to rule overall. They need to grow into the full maturity of the party. Once that's done, they'll be unstoppable.
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Yeah they're not ready to rule on a national scale. Neither are the ANC, but combined with incompetence, corruption and mismanagement, we can see the results of that. The DA may eliminate many of those factors, but they will still face serious challenges. A province-by-province takeover seems to be the best solution.
 
ocleroux said:
PE does have potential to be a beautifull city if you ask me. Pity about the people that lives there. /looks at Mickey :p
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And the wind! It is a pretty place though, they have great sunsrises and sunsets :D
 
As mentioned earlier... it is a numbers game!

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