DA e-toll court case looms

ChocolateBadger said:
I wish them the best of luck. If they make any sort of positive difference, the have earned my vote.
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It's shortsighted to hinge your vote on the outcome, and not the intent already shown. A vote not for the DA is a vote for the ANC as far as I'm concerned.
 
HapticSimian said:
It's shortsighted to hinge your vote on the outcome, and not the intent already shown. A vote not for the DA is a vote for the ANC as far as I'm concerned.
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The intent of any and every political party is to win your vote. Nothing that any party does that is not for the benefit of itself is to try and make someone vote for them. And that's a good thing, because it means that in order to win votes, they need to win favor with voters, which means they need to do the right thing ( Or, you know. Be part of the reason the country transitioned away from apartheid. )
 
bullzeye.za said:
The intent of any and every political party is to win your vote. Nothing that any party does that is not for the benefit of itself is to try and make someone vote for them. And that's a good thing, because it means that in order to win votes, they need to win favor with voters, which means they need to do the right thing ( Or, you know. Be part of the reason the country transitioned away from apartheid. )
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Wat?
 
HapticSimian said:
Wat?
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He's saying that the parties are like guys at a bar when a pretty girl walks in. Everything they do is for her, to try and get her attention. pulling out their best stories, pouring her drinks, etc etc. That is far removed from what we are seeing now with the ANC, who is, as the saying goes, the boyfriend who is tired of sleeping with her.
 
That's just electioneering. If the DA had any serious interest in how the current government squanders tax-money, they would have been more aggressive with e-tolling, gupta-gate, Nkandla, the billions spent in government departments etc - to me it seems it is either too much effort or DA-connected people benefit equally from tenderpreneurship. It is just not enough to erect a few billboards and fly an aeroplane across Joburg :whistle:
 
MagicDude4Eva said:
That's just electioneering. If the DA had any serious interest in how the current government squanders tax-money, they would have been more aggressive with e-tolling, gupta-gate, Nkandla, the billions spent in government departments etc - to me it seems it is either too much effort or DA-connected people benefit equally from tenderpreneurship. It is just not enough to erect a few billboards and fly an aeroplane across Joburg :whistle:
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MagicDude4Eva said:
That's just electioneering. If the DA had any serious interest in how the current government squanders tax-money, they would have been more aggressive with e-tolling, gupta-gate, Nkandla, the billions spent in government departments etc - to me it seems it is either too much effort or DA-connected people benefit equally from tenderpreneurship. It is just not enough to erect a few billboards and fly an aeroplane across Joburg :whistle:
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I know what you're saying but it's a double edged sword. If they make noise then people complain and say they must stop attacking the anc all the time and rather focus on their own governance. When they do raise some issues but don't constantly harp on about it then people complain yet again. I think they have kept quiet because they want to have more "ammo" when it comes closer to election time...? What would you have had them done regarding those issues...?
 
Irony of it all, every one looks at the political parties to do "something", what have you as the common man done to improve your community or fellow man, and contributed to making this country a little better, easy enough to blame ANC or DA or who ever when things go south, as long as you have t that mentality oh look what the DA or ANC is doing to get votes attitude, the more they are going to do it, eh. :p
 
wizardofid said:
Irony of it all, every one looks at the political parties to do "something", what have you as the common man done to improve your community or fellow man, and contributed to making this country a little better, easy enough to blame ANC or DA or who ever when things go south, as long as you have t that mentality oh look what the DA or ANC is doing to get votes attitude, the more they are going to do it, eh. :p
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The common man does not sit in parliament or hearings all day. My point with for example e-tolls was that the tolling and the tender-process was politically known and was part of discussions dating back as far as 2008. Perhaps Sanral tricked everyone or opposition parties did not realise the impact tolling would have, but I would have expected them to react sooner. The same can be said about many other scandals which seem to surface, cause a round of sensationalism and then disappear.

I think with e-tolling it is the first time I have seen South African's taking actions (as much as one can call it "taking action" by doing nothing which is a common thing in this country). It is understandable that the leading party will push it's agenda, but it is also possible (especially with social media over the last few years) to be more active. I guess (and this is not just a South African problem), political parties have long lost the interest in representing the citizen of a country.

I do have deep respect for the public protector (and to a certain degree the Hawks) as both do seem to challenge the wrongs in this country (albeit with much slowness - Nkandla investigation for example started more than 12 months ago, and still has not resulted in a final report).
 
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