DA faction considering a split – report

thestaggy

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Any proposed split will only take place after May 8’s elections, if it happens at all.

Disputes over policy have resulted in senior members of the official opposition, the Democratic Alliance (DA), considering breaking away to form a new political party, Bloomberg reports.

The publication alleges that some within the DA feel certain policies show a shift away from the party’s liberal roots.

The emphasis on the securing of South Africa’s borders, as well as internal conflict over the party’s handling of black economic empowerment, are cited as examples of this.

According to Bloomberg, the proposed split has advanced to the stage that talks about securing funding for a new party have already been held. Any plans for a split will, however, be put off until after the May 8 elections.

The publication suggests there’s a “strong chance” that the faction will choose to try to change the DA internally rather than splitting.
According to DA national spokesperson Solly Malatsi, however, Bloomberg’s claims of a proposed split “are wholly incorrect.”
https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/politics/2123019/da-faction-considering-a-split-report/
 

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The publication alleges that some within the DA feel certain policies show a shift away from the party’s liberal roots.

The emphasis on the securing of South Africa’s borders, as well as internal conflict over the party’s handling of black economic empowerment, are cited as examples of this.
Source of my frustration with them.
 

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If the break away party opposes all forms of BEE and calls to build a wall and deport all illegal aliens or naturalized persons who commit crime, I'll vote for them.

I really hope this happens.
Its way overdue.
 
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If the break away party opposes all forms of BEE and calls to build a wall and deport all illegal aliens or naturalized persons who commit crime, I'll vote for them.

I really hope this happens.
Its way overdue.
Just move to Cpt?

I don’t see this faction as a winning strategy tbh. In SA you need to support social mobility(across racial groups, it’s only forced when companies refuse to naturally transform) and catering for the needs of the minority only will mean extreme limits.

The issue is the post zuma strategy has not changed too much, they seem to be trying the same old things with a opposition leader who outwardly tries to reform. Good luck with that when trying to grow a party.
 

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was a matter of when, not if...DA is a mismatch of ideologies,...masquerading as liberalism.... ineffective/weak leader...so post elections, the breakaways will not have parly representation..?
 

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I'm almost sure the DA are have been infiltrated by third forces undermining them from the inside.
Nah. They've just tried to be a catch-all party and they now have no identity and their ideology is all over the place.

ANC - Unashamedly pro-black, target the poor.
EFF - Unashamedly black nationalists, target the poor.
VF+ (until their latest manifesto) - Unashamedly Afrikaner nationalist, target the minority vote.
DA - ??? They tried to occupy the middle ground but their pro-BEE stance and ''race is disadvantage'' angle ensures they are most certainly not in the middle and are definitely not liberal.

If the DA splits, I foresee a pseudo-liberal party and a liberal party in its wake and these will be on racial lines. The pseudo-liberals will be majority black while the liberals (media and opposition won't paint it this way sadly) will be majority white as they go back to their roots (PFP/IP -> DP) .
 
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In SA you need to support social mobility(across racial groups, it’s only forced when companies refuse to naturally transform)
There should be no need to transform..or force any transformation.
It's been 25 years since 1994, and many people of all races are going to schools and universities.
Considering this is supposed to be a "rainbow nation", if someone applies for a position and impresses enough or is good enough / skilled enough for that position, it shouldn't matter what race they are or what socio-economic conditions they're in. Their skills or personality or any other factor relevant to that position should be the only consideration. Persistent work, being an asset to a company instead of a quota and climbing the ladder the natural way in a non discriminatory system is what will uplift and support social mobility.
Focus on quotas and trying to tip the scales from one extreme to the other is what screwed everything up in the first place and continues to do so.
 

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Nah. They've just tried to be a catch-all party and they now have no identity and their ideology is all over the place.

ANC - Unashamedly pro-black, target the poor.
EFF - Unashamedly black nationalists, target the poor.
VF+ (until their latest manifesto) - Unashamedly Afrikaner nationalist, target the minority vote.
DA - ???
I disagree.
ANC - Social Democrats targeting poor rural black voters.
EFF - National Socialists, targeting poor rural and urban blacks.
VF+ - Conservative/Libertarian with a dash of Afrikaaner nationalist, targeting Afrikaaner and coloured minorities
DA - Social Democrats with a hint of liberalism, targeting middle class whites and blacks.
ZACP - Liberal Capitalists, targeting professionals and entrepreneurs.
 

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Not suprised, sat down with a DA mate who works in their ops a few weeks back and he mentioned the party was in a mess due to infighting. He still said they were expecting some growth though. Lost my vote with their rudder less stance and lack of local service quite some time ago.
 

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I don’t see this faction as a winning strategy tbh. In SA you need to support social mobility(across racial groups, it’s only forced when companies refuse to naturally transform) and catering for the needs of the minority only will mean extreme limits.

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And there is the bigotry.

Lets use the scenario of a company that is refusing to hire a qualified individual because they are black. That company will then loose that qualified employee (in a country with drastic skill shortages) to its competitors and thus in the long run will lose out and go out of business (this is why family businesses that only employ family members do not grow). That is the natural way a free market takes care of bigots.

Since you see the need to force companies to employ a certain amount of black people, it is because you don't regard black people as being as capable as white people.
 

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I disagree.
ANC - Social Democrats targeting poor rural black voters.
EFF - National Socialists, targeting poor rural and urban blacks.
VF+ - Conservative/Libertarian with a dash of Afrikaaner nationalist, targeting Afrikaaner and coloured minorities
DA - Social Democrats with a hint of liberalism, targeting middle class whites and blacks.
ZACP - Liberal Capitalists, targeting professionals and entrepreneurs.
Much more comprehensive summary of the parties.

However, I'd say that the DA is no longer actively targeting the white middle class. They've rested on their laurels and taken it for granted that the white middle class will vote for them and will be okay with them now going hard for the black votes by pursuing race-based ideology and policies. And this is going to be their downfall. As an example; they refer to the VF+ as a small party when the reality is, that ''small'' party is more appealing to their foundation voter base than they currently are.
 

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There should be no need to transform..or force any transformation.
It's been 25 years since 1994, and many people of all races are going to schools and universities.
Considering this is supposed to be a "rainbow nation", if someone applies for a position and impresses enough or is good enough / skilled enough for that position, it shouldn't matter what race they are or what socio-economic conditions they're in. Their skills or personality or any other factor relevant to that position should be the only consideration. Persistent work, being an asset to a company instead of a quota and climbing the ladder the natural way in a non discriminatory system is what will uplift and support social mobility.
Focus on quotas and trying to tip the scales from one extreme to the other is what screwed everything up in the first place and continues to do so.
In an ideal world I totally agree but good luck with that.
 

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And there is the bigotry.

Lets use the scenario of a company that is refusing to hire a qualified individual because they are black. That company will then loose that qualified employee (in a country with drastic skill shortages) to its competitors and thus in the long run will lose out and go out of business (this is why family businesses that only employ family members do not grow). That is the natural way a free market takes care of bigots.

Since you see the need to force companies to employ a certain amount of black people, it is because you don't regard black people as being as capable as white people.
It’s quite the opposite actually, I’d say if your company has very little diversity you need to ask why that is and I can tell you now it’s not because of a lack of skills.

Though admittedly younger generation seems lost at sea and have no idea on how to survive any difficulty.
 

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It’s quite the opposite actually, I’d say if your company has very little diversity you need to ask why that is and I can tell you now it’s not because of a lack of skills.
If said company is intentionally excluding people because of their skin colour, they will suffer ( just look at Eskom).

Let me guess, you would blame it on "unconscious bias"?
 
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