DA opens case against premier

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A case has been opened to investigate whether Gauteng premier Paul Mashatile committed any wrongdoing after he apparently failed to report attempted fraud by ANC spokesperson Carl Niehaus, police confirmed on Tuesday.

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I think it is a wast of time?

 

[brixton tower]

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I think it is a wast of time?

Talk about flogging a dead horse. They're clearly trying to get some sort of political capital/traction out of this even though Niehaus has admitted that he's a crook and has stepped down from his position.

The DA needs some fresh ideas to increase their representation in Parliament, simply waiting for things to happen won't get them more votes.

 

[marine1]

Yeah maybe the DA should start resorting to corruption, crime, raping the land and the people.

 

[brixton tower]

Yeah maybe the DA should start resorting to corruption, crime, raping the land and the people.

ROLMAO I challenge you to just one day, just one day surprise me...you're as predictable as knowing that the sun will set in the west this evening.

They're well within their rights to make a hullabaloo about this but Niehaus has lost all credibility and Paul Mashatile, well since no money was ever exchanged(if you read the press reports) the case for corruption/fraud in my limited understanding of these things is a very tenuous one that I doubt even the NPA in its Jacob Zuma-busting mode would want to prosecute.

 

[shadowfox]

The ANC closes ranks so fast to protect their members though that legal recourse is just about the only thing left open to them. Questions in Parliament just get shrugged off or ignored. And that has even less chance of working

 

[sox63]

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I think it is a wast of time?

I dont think it is a waste of time. In terms of the Prevention and Combating of Corrupt activities Act, one would think all the people mentioned in the article have a duty to report any corrupt activities.

To provide for the strengthening of measures to prevent and combat corruption
and corrupt activities; to provide for the offence of corruption and offences relating
to corrupt activities; to provide for investigative measures in respect of corruption
and related corrupt activities; to provide for the establishment and endorsement of
a Register in order to place certain restrictions on persons and enterprises
convicted of corrupt activities relating to tenders and contracts; to place a duty on
certain persons holding a position of authority to report certain corrupt
transactions; to provide for extraterritorial jurisdictionin respect of the offence of
corruption and offences relating to corrupt activities; and to provide for matters
connected therewith.

http://www.info.gov.za/gazette/acts/2004/a12-04.pdf

 

[marine1]

ROLMAO I challenge you to just one day, just one day surprise me...you're as predictable as knowing that the sun will set in the west this evening.

They're well within their rights to make a hullabaloo about this but Niehaus has lost all credibility and Paul Mashatile, well since no money was ever exchanged(if you read the press reports) the case for corruption/fraud in my limited understanding of these things is a very tenuous one that I doubt even the NPA in its Jacob Zuma-busting mode would want to prosecute.

Exactly. Now run along. ;D

 

[BBSA]

I dont think it is a waste of time. In terms of the Prevention and Combating of Corrupt activities Act, one would think all the people mentioned in the article have a duty to report any corrupt activities.

http://www.info.gov.za/gazette/acts/2004/a12-04.pdf

I agree 100% with you, and they all should go to jail.

But I do not think the police/justice system will take it seriously.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[brixton tower]

Exactly. Now run along. ;D

ROLMAO while doing the running man.

I agree 100% with you, and they all should go to jail.

But I do not think the police/justice system will take it seriously.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

They won't take it seriously because the DA/ID are trying to make politics out of this and the worst that could come out of it is a slap on the wrists for Niehaus. Yes I agree that we should not tolerate fraud and corruption but the DA/ID are not honest in their motives. Are they really for clean government or are just trying to get mileage out of this one, two months before a crucial election.

 

[sox63]

ROLMAO while doing the running man.



They won't take it seriously because the DA/ID are trying to make politics out of this and the worst that could come out of it is a slap on the wrists for Niehaus. Yes I agree that we should not tolerate fraud and corruption but the DA/ID are not honest in their motives. Are they really for clean government or are just trying to get mileage out of this one, two months before a crucial election.

Their motivation is obvious, however that should not be taken in consideration by the cops. They just need to investigate the merits of the charge, which IMO, has substance.

And seeing as though COPE is VERY quite regarding this, I would not be surprised if Shilowa knew about it too.

 

[EtienneK]

ROLMAO while doing the running man.



They won't take it seriously because the DA/ID are trying to make politics out of this and the worst that could come out of it is a slap on the wrists for Niehaus. Yes I agree that we should not tolerate fraud and corruption but the DA/ID are not honest in their motives. Are they really for clean government or are just trying to get mileage out of this one, two months before a crucial election.

Who cares what their motives are? The point is that they are doing the right thing. Them getting some publicity out of this is only bonus.

 

[JustAsk]

Their motivation is obvious, however that should not be taken in consideration by the cops. They just need to investigate the merits of the charge, which IMO, has substance.

And seeing as though COPE is VERY quite regarding this, I would not be surprised if Shilowa knew about it too.

Shilowa did know about it.

 

[medicnick83]

Yeah maybe the DA should start resorting to corruption, crime, raping the land and the people.

Name change?

DA-ANC

 

[bsntombela]

Yet another pathetic political game to try and score political points! How predictable...I bet you If I approached the Sunday Times and tell them Malema stole from Thabo Mbeki (they'd publish it without confirming coz every1 knows how anti-ANC they are), and the DA will obviously press charges against Malema too.

You know as much as the "past is the past", in this country, our past is a very sensitive topic amongst the black communities, if parties fail to empathize with that, the ANC will govern for a very long time!

We are very far from a rich democracy like the USA for example, it's important for parties such as the DA, FF+ to realize that as much as we need to move forward as a nation, there are plenty of undealt with issues that need to be address.

 

[BBSA]

We are very far from a rich democracy like the USA for example, it's important for parties such as the DA, FF+ to realize that as much as we need to move forward as a nation, there are plenty of undealt with issues that need to be address.

Showing a blind eye to corruption?

You do realise corruption makes the poor poorer, right?

 

[bsntombela]

Showing a blind eye to corruption?

What Carl Niehaus did is wrong and he needs to deal with the arm of Law. Whether the DA, Azapo, ID, COPE rat on him, does not matter as long as he is brought to order, However for the DA to press charges against Mashatile purely based on what Niehaus said is a bit reckless and inefficient. Can they even prove it?

Mashatile said that Niehaus only informed him after he had been exposed, not before that....

 

[Abe]

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I think it is a wast of time?

Not quite a waste of time. There is no such thing as attempted fraud, only fraud. All gov officials are liable if they don't report corruption to the police.

 

[Abe]

What Carl Niehaus did is wrong and he needs to deal with the arm of Law. Whether the DA, Azapo, ID, COPE rat on him, does not matter as long as he is brought to order, However for the DA to press charges against Mashatile purely based on what Niehaus said is a bit reckless and inefficient. Can they even prove it?

Mashatile said that Niehaus only informed him after he had been exposed, not before that....

Regardless of how it came out, the point is that he did not report it to the police which he has an obligation to do. It's not up to him to sweep it under the carpet and keep quiet. If the police chose to do so, thats another thing but he can go to jail for not reporting corruption to the police. He chose to do nothing to protect the ANC and thats a big problem.

 

[bsntombela]

Regardless of how it came out, the point is that he did not report it to the police which he has an obligation to do. It's not up to him to sweep it under the carpet and keep quite. If the police chose to do so, thats another thing but he can go to jail for not reporting corruption to the police. He chose to do nothing to protect the ANC and thats a big problem.

The man was already exposed, the police knew about it already! He has already confessed to the world! Do you see any need to run to the Police to tell them of something they already know???

 

[BBSA]

However for the DA to press charges against Mashatile purely based on what Niehaus said is a bit reckless and inefficient. Can they even prove it?

They do not have to prove it. It is for the police to investigate.

There is an allegation that Mashatile committed a crime as such it must be investigated by the police.

The DA did the right thing.