DA to submit strike violence bill

[rza]

I thought you were a lawyer?

4 years from now.

 

[rza]

It really doesn't matter if the element is part of the union or not. When a group organises a big public event it is up to that group to organise security to ensure the event is peaceful and runs smoothly. When was the last time you went to a big concert without security being present for example?

Like it or not the union definitely shares responsibility here.

Fact is that if security were adequate these examples of vandalism would not occur.

You can't organise security because you are not empowered to do the duty of the police. In concerts they employ security companies which are empowered to deal with crowds in that environment, but the duty of protecting people outside the concert is that of the police crowd control units. It's unrealistic to expect professional people to do security work.

 

[supersunbird]

We have the numbers and presence to control our members, but it's the police's job to deal with criminal elements. You can't shift the responsibilty of the police to the union because we are not equipped to deal with such nor are we legally allowed to. Due to the increased unemployment numbers, it's a given that the unemployed youths will join strikes and might engage in criminal behaviour. It's one thing to pass the bill, but it will be another to implement it succesfully. How would you know if criminal elements are members of the union, for instance? And what criminal behaviour will make the union liable and how would we determine that?

Because they are wearing union T-shirts and/or walking with masses of people with the union t-shirts on, or does the union give out the t-shirts to just anyone?

 

[porchrat]

You can't organise security because you are not empowered to do the duty of the police. In concerts they employ security companies which are empowered to deal with crowds in that environment, but the duty of protecting people outside the concert is that of the police crowd control units.

Good thing the vandalism is taking place within the context of the march (the environment) then.

As far as I'm aware public demonstrations have predetermined routes. That is your environment just like the arena in which a concert is occurring. Just get approval beforehand or is your union too inept and disorganised to do that?

It's unrealistic to expect professional people to do security work.

OK I shouldn't have to explicitly state this as it was more than implied in my last post: EMPLOY A SECURITY COMPANY.

If your union is not prepared to do this then frankly it must face the consequences when it loses control of its event.

 

[Seriously]

4 years from now.

and the butcher?