Datapro

Tinuva,

sorCrer1, I think that was a little childish of you, you know a bit about Karnaugh, but I think every person on this forum still deserve some respect.

Not too sure what you mean! Everything said there comes form his profile on this site and from his website, got to from his profile on this site.

Karnaugh,

It was my mistake, I thought perhaps with all those paying clients and local servers you had purchased one of your own, or had one for testing which would be easy to route a few bits through to give your self international connectivity

Huh? I have 6 servers, 3 locally (offsite), 2 in Texas (one with Rackspace), 1 in the UK! Please could you explain to me how I am going to 'route a few bits' from any of these servers via Datapro's sub-standard ADSL solution, to my desktop and get better bandwidth!

Sure I could download to a local server and then download again from the local server (offsite) to my network.

if you're unhappy with Datapro's service then no one is forcing you to pay, and you seem to have the resources to self provide and equal service (as you claimed, you arn't trying to download alot)

I think you're missing the point here.

1) Datapro's claim of uncapped bandwidth is not entirely the truth.
2) If you read my first post carefully, you will notice I stated 'Let me be frank, It's not worth it. I have just ordered another Telkom ADSL line for testing versus Datapro.'

Just by-the-by I have dealt with Datapro on several fronts for a few years now! I used to use a leased line from them. I have sent clients to them for both leased lines and ADSL solutions.

As for my comment on your date of birth, I apologise it was a bit of a dig. I took umbrage at your comment 'And your name is "sorCrer1" ?.

I was basically saying that I have been using computers since before you were born. I know what your 'levels of experience' are because you have them splashed all over your website!
 
Play nicely, guys. It's clear that Douglasr has some CRM to do, which he has offered to undertake telephonically. The measure of success will be manifest in sorCrer1's subsequent postings, devoid of personal criticisms or comment...
 
sorCrer1 said:
Huh? I have 6 servers, 3 locally (offsite), 2 in Texas (one with Rackspace), 1 in the UK! Please could you explain to me how I am going to 'route a few bits' from any of these servers via Datapro's sub-standard ADSL solution, to my desktop and get better bandwidth!
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I'm just the "student with no experience", why ask me?!

http://openvpn.net/

It's incredibly easy to simply connect to the net with your ADSL line and VPN to another server, and from there route your traffic to the rest of the world - thus essentialy bypassing most of your ISP - and having purely unshaped and uncontended bandwidth (since they are "your servers")

Amazingly - this is how alot of ISP's and no cap providers do it (asside from renting expensive IPNet peering links).
 
/cheers @ personal fight going on here...

Funny how it is always the new guys stirring up fires. I don't see 1 usefull post from sorCrer1...

what is he doing here ?
 
playing nicely means welcoming everyone's views - so welcome sorCrer1 - with all that experience we would hope to see some real constructive contributions to various topics on this forum
 
Getting right back on topic, after the little *tiff* we've seen here.

I can recommend Datapro. I have been working with Datapro for years. Their environment is dynamic, and they don't stand back for technology or taking risks. Their uncapped offering was a risk, and they still did it, and turned it into a viable solution by having the vision, and actually distilling the vision into a usable product.

Unfortunately, they have to work within the confines of what exists, and the pricing regimes that exist. I've personally found their customer service to be excellent both in business and consumer dealings, and their product offerings are creative, and reasonably priced.

To understand the level to which I believe and have faith in Datapro, simply do a traceroute to www.jawug.za.net, or read my blog on Jawug.

Also, the fact that Douglas Reed, the Managing Director of the company is prepared to even POST here on MyAdsl, and to explain things is admirable. It should already show you the amount of commitment they have.

One has to realise that there are also things like "bad customers" as Doug rightly pointed out. This is just a fact of life.
 
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agreed rodent, I still would appreciate a reply from douglas in regards to what I asked earlier on.

If that isn't to much to ask.
 
Karnaugh,

OK let's drop the pettiness. How does openVPN help my 20-30 users with general connectivity?

Update on the Datapro issue. They have now given me a new account. So I know the first 3 GB's are likely to be quite quick. I will wait a few days and test.

From Datapro's website:

DataPro’s UNCAPPED Business ADSL Solution offers a fully-fledged business solution aimed at smaller businesses. This bundle includes ALL the costs and hardware necessary for your business to communicate effectively and efficiently on the Internet. This solution is designed to connect a small LAN with, ideally, 20-30 users to the Internet.
 
TheRoDent said:
Getting right back on topic, after the little *tiff* we've seen here.

I can recommend Datapro. I have been working with Datapro for years. Their environment is dynamic, and they don't stand back for technology or taking risks. Their uncapped offering was a risk, and they still did it, and turned it into a viable solution by having the vision, and actually distilling the vision into a usable product.

Unfortunately, they have to work within the confines of what exists, and the pricing regimes that exist. I've personally found their customer service to be excellent both in business and consumer dealings, and their product offerings are creative, and reasonably priced.

To understand the level to which I believe and have faith in Datapro, simply do a traceroute to www.jawug.za.net, or read my blog on Jawug.

Also, the fact that Douglas Reed, the Managing Director of the company is prepared to even POST here on MyAdsl, and to explain things is admirable. It should already show you the amount of commitment they have.

One has to realise that there are also things like "bad customers" as Doug rightly pointed out. This is just a fact of life.
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Yep - as my original post indicates, I share this sentiment. A very forward looking company who have time for the little guys as well as the big ones.

If my previous web co. was still going, I'd still be with datapro - right now I'm "small potatoes" with my new biz, but if it goes well, I'd not hesitate to use Datapro again,
 
Sorry? Bobb asks anyone for information on Datapro. I give him a truthful answer after using Datapro's various solutions since +/- 2000. I speak to them practically everyday and have about 4 times in the last 48 hours.

You sleight me!

Now you screed 'Don't worry, thats all I and Dougless and the rest needed to hear.' Have I got this right? Is one allowed to complain on this forum? Is it some sort of cabal of users in cahoots with ADSL suppliers?

I'm not worried Colin. Let me reiterate, Datapro advertise an uncapped solution for 20-30 users. I, on the strength of my previous dealings with them and on the strength of this advert, took them up on this offer.

They have failed me miserably over the last few months!
 
I'd be interested in hearing what Datapro's responses to your concerns are, which is more relevant than Colin's attitudinal stance - or yours, for that matter. If you have a valid beef with them, let's all hear about it from both sides of the coin, as it were, without accusatory comments, snide remarks or any other kind of personal failings in post quality being made evident to other forumites. Same thing applies to the posting from Clipse. Comments, Douglasr?
 
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I'd be interested in hearing what Datapro's responses to your concerns are, which is more relevant than Colin's attitudinal stance - or yours, for that matter. If you have a valid beef with them, let's all hear about it from both sides of the coin, as it were, without accusatory comments, snide remarks or any other kind of personal failings in post quality being made evident to other forumites. Same thing applies to the posting from Clipse. Comments, Douglasr?
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For !@# sake, I just read this whole thread. He already said.

And thats all besides the point!!!

Thanks for pointing out their "UNCAPPED" lie, its like "buy one get one free" and telkoms advertising. Like PEOPLE simply won't be interested if it doesnt shake all their beliefs.

And if you actually advertise accurately, they'll think youre exaggerating and expect much less.

AAAAAARGH.

GET A LIFE.

The internet sucks.

Leave it to our kids. Our Kids kids. Or Kids' kids' kids. For some of us.

Or move to China or hong kong, geeez.

Sorry, maybe thats out of line in this forum. Just thought this thing needed a good closing. Hurray.

Datapro lied. The world is evil.

They do have a nice and professional image though.

I'd let them take over Telkom any day.
 
If ever there was an indication of personal failings in post quality being made evident, this previous post of Tunasashimi is surely it. Trolls must remain under their respective bridges, and not be fed, but this needs to be clarified:
For !@# sake, I just read this whole thread. He already said.
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No, he didn't. What is being asked for is Datapro's response to his telephonic interaction, and his further response, and so on.
 
Peace, love and harmony. Http://maddox.xmission.com/

sorCrer1 said:
Bobb,

..... Now believe me, once you get through the initial cap, your international drops to 6.4k, if you're lucky. I literally phone them once a day and know probably every name at their help desk. (Which isn't many, I count about 6-9!) Because everyone else is complaining you're always on hold, they can never tell you what the problem is but always make up some bull****, which you know isn't true.......
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Hey Sorcerer. Do some of your magic and go dig up that recording of the call and come paste it here!

The Troll said:
... Get a life ...
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Note to readers of this thread:

This topic has been long dead. The summary is 3 posts back.

I suppose the ADSL master will now gag and bind me, kick me a few times, and then click on the little lock button so his Ego may cling on to what little punity nevermind
 
This doesn't only apply to sorCrer1's issues, but Clipse's as well. As I said previously, Douglasr has some CRM to do, and it is THAT which is of concern, not fruitless endeavours to earn brownie points through irrelevant postings of a 'mine is bigger than yours' nature...
 
Sorry, I mustve missed it somewhere then. I apologise.

What does CRM stand for?
 
Great ***! wtf is going on here?

My comments were with respect to being accused of having no experience. I couldn't care less about Datapro, I was simply stating that if you're such a ``big swinging **** with 10 servers`` that you're fully capable of self-providing given the clue. If you're unfamilar with how IP-IP TAP tunnels and routing work, or how they will bridge an ethernet to you server which you can then route traffic to (gee i dont know? default gateways?) - then rather keep quiet than persist with more hand waving and attempting to belittle other people who do.

None of your comments seem to actualy say anything at all about Datapro, other than arbitrary hand waving. If you have a problem - point it out. If you carry on waving your hands given a response, then you're beyond help - get a new ISP.

Datapro advertise an uncapped solution for 20-30 users. I, on the strength of my previous dealings with them and on the strength of this advert, took them up on this offer.
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Yes, as do most ISP's as an alternative to costly Diginet connections - and I don't see any way in which it would not perform the same as purchasing a 512K diginet connection to them, the same contention levels (probably) apply. That advert has been around for years, I'm sure if it was 100% false that Datapro would have no customers left.

No, I don't have any dealings with them, so I have not whitnessed anything first hand all I can do is speculate - however in their defense as a moral standpoint and support for ISP's alike since I understand their position, you have not shown anything either.
 
Tunasashimi said:
What does CRM stand for?
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CRM = Customer Relationship Management.
(Something that Telkrap Know very little about, and the Wireless providers even less, with the notable exception of Vodacom. Resellers have some understanding of this too, and they're slowly realising that this is vital to sustainability of their business ventures.)
 
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