Death Toll over Easter

Albereth

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First off - ridiculous that so many people end up dead.

This year it was blamed on month end, school holidays and a long weekend.

It's always a long weekend. It's pretty much always around some sort of school break.

I'm not too sure how they allocate deaths to the Easter weekend. Is it just the F, S, S and M or would T be added in? Because if we're losing close on 50 people a day on any other day, well 287 is worse than average but not massively so. Around 22% more assuming a 5 day counting period.

What isn't clear from the numbers quoted is how many of the fatalities are caused by pedestrians. And I haven't seen the classification of the numbers by vehicle type etc etc.

But a stat that was given that seems to have caused a bit of debate was that 70% involved black male drivers. Is there any significance in this? Well, without any context, not really. And no context was given by Peters.

If blacks are around 80% of the population then the number of pretty positive assuming accidents are, well, accidents. Blacks are proportionally less involved in accidents than sheer demographics would suggest. But males? Seeing that we're about 48% of the population it would seem that we're definitely worse drivers.

But we don't have a proportional representation of the population on our roads over Easter (or at any time really). I'd say that the percentage of male drivers is going to be in the high 90s. This means that the 70% black male figure quoted is meaningless in trying to determine if sex has anything to do with the accident rate. The other 30% could all be purple males.

Does being black have anything to do with it? Well, this is where the debate could become quite pointed. I'd say that on any given normal day the majority of drivers on the roads would be black (Truck and other delivery vehicles). Come Easter there is a shift to more middle class drivers which would have been predominantly white some years back, but now all folk have holidays. And there would also be more taxis and buses. I don't have a breakdown but a thumbsuck would cause me to say that the black male percentage is actually significant when considering the population of drivers on the roads over Easter.

However, I think that I would like to also know the distances travelled as I think that black folk travel further than purple folk. Then we could look at that 70% in the context of driver distance.

Why all of this? Well, I think that driver fatigue is the biggest contributor to accidents.

But, of course, maybe black males are more likely to drive an unroadworthy vehicle.

There must be an answer to tackling road deaths in the numbers.

Thoughts?
 
I think speed and reckless driving must be high up on the list as contributing factors. The number of people I see overtaking on blind corners/rises is very scary.

Would also be very interested to know what the statistics are for pedestrian casualties.
 
I think speed and reckless driving must be high up on the list as contributing factors. The number of people I see overtaking on blind corners/rises is very scary.

Would also be very interested to know what the statistics are for pedestrian casualties.

To be controversial - I'm not sure if speed should be that high up the list. Okay - the greater the speed, the greater the damage that will be caused. But speed, by itself, doesn't cause an accident. And I think that recklessness is as a result of fatigue (and alcohol).

Just as a thought - would forcing Transnet to lay on trains over Easter to transport passengers in bulk have a significant impact on the number of deaths? In one step we would have pretty much removed buses and taxis from the roads - they would now provide the last mile service from the stations.
 
To be controversial - I'm not sure if speed should be that high up the list. Okay - the greater the speed, the greater the damage that will be caused. But speed, by itself, doesn't cause an accident. And I think that recklessness is as a result of fatigue (and alcohol).
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Am inclined to agree, many people have cars that can handle high speeds very well. The problem being is that when travelling at high speed your ability to avoid an accident (caused by others) is reduced dramatically. Given the amount of reckless driving and fatigued people on our roads, travelling at such high speeds is hugely risky. There are so many things that could possibly go wrong, reckless overtaking, pedestrians on the road, animals - it just seems very irresponsible to cut your potential reaction/stopping time so much just because you want to drive at 160.
 
1) No visible and effective policing.
2) Thousands (maybe millions) of unlicensed drivers on the road.
3) Roads in terrible conditions, potholes, barriers missing, signage knocked down or stolen.
4) Distracted, tired and impatient drivers. Drivers on cellphones, doing other things while driving.
5) Too many trucks on the roads.
6) Too many unroadworthy vehicles on the roads.
7) etc....
 
1) No visible and effective policing.
2) Thousands (maybe millions) of unlicensed drivers on the road.
3) Roads in terrible conditions, potholes, barriers missing, signage knocked down or stolen.
4) Distracted, tired and impatient drivers. Drivers on cellphones, doing other things while driving.
5) Too many trucks on the roads.
6) Too many unroadworthy vehicles on the roads.
7) etc....

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