Definition of Uncapped?

Until ASASA and/or ICASA and/or whoever officially rule on the "T&C issue", all the posts and quotes above are speculation and opinion. Of course, I'm not saying we should all blindly and stupidly accept every clause in T&C. What I am saying is that only an official ruling, made by competent and informed persons, holds any value. And until anyone officially lodges a complaint with ASASA/ICASA, we'll just keep talking in circles.
 
Terminating service because of T&C contravention on uncapped accounts is not the same as capping the account -- termination means your service is terminated; you may not use the service any longer, not now, not next month. Applying a cap, however, suspends your service until the start of the next month. If you breach the T&C in some relevant way on a capped service, you may be disconnected too. So that is like applying a cap to a capped account? :wft:
 
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SabreWolfy said:
Until ASASA and/or ICASA and/or whoever officially rule on the "T&C issue", all the posts and quotes above are speculation and opinion. Of course, I'm not saying we should all blindly and stupidly accept every clause in T&C. What I am saying is that only an official ruling, made by competent and informed persons, holds any value. And until anyone officially lodges a complaint with ASASA/ICASA, we'll just keep talking in circles.
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though what we are saying is that the ISP's should advertise:

* According to what the T&C's imply ( like a very shortened version, describing what the product is )
* If need be, sit a client down and explain the T&C's to them first hand.

The VERY least they could do is warn people that they are breaching the T&C's ( and maybe cite which part of it they are breaching ). If they do it again, yes then kick them off

In short, dont give me lemons when you advertise apples
 
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Osiris85 said:
though what we are saying is that the ISP's should advertise:

* According to what the T&C's imply ( like a very shortened version, describing what the product is )
* If need be, sit a client down and explain the T&C's to them first hand.

The VERY least they could do is warn people that they are breaching the T&C's ( and maybe cite which part of it they are breaching ). If they do it again, yes then kick them off

In short, dont give me lemons when you advertise apples
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Fair enough. Until ISPs are challenged in this regard, they will continue not to do as you suggest.
 
SabreWolfy said:
Until ASASA and/or ICASA and/or whoever officially rule on the "T&C issue", all the posts and quotes above are speculation and opinion. Of course, I'm not saying we should all blindly and stupidly accept every clause in T&C. What I am saying is that only an official ruling, made by competent and informed persons, holds any value. And until anyone officially lodges a complaint with ASASA/ICASA, we'll just keep talking in circles.
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FORMAL COMPLAINTS HAD BEEN LAID @ ASASA; ICASA AND THE ISPA, A HIGH COURT APPLICATION, AND AN APPLICATION TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT. NOW THE WAITING START TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
 
Uncapped does not in any way mean that there are no limiters what so ever, to think so is to be utterly ignorant.

An uncapped service means that your connection will never be terminated based on your exact usage, this does not mean that it can't be shaped or throttled... as long as the connection does not stop at X amount then its uncapped. Just because you WANT uncapped to mean no limiters what so ever does not mean it is that way.

AUPs are what ISPs use to control their network, only the ignorant/stupid do not understand them.

Its simple, if you use an uncapped product within its FUP/AUP it will remain uncapped, if you break a rule your account can be closed, if it was not for this the network would be much worse off.

If I have to use an analogy this is what it would be:

Y= ((X-2)^(7.10^4))/(X-2) In this case X is an E of R but X =/= 2

Take X is E of R as the word Uncapped and X =/= 2 as the AUP.

So X is an element of all real numbers but is not equal to two.
What this says is X can be any real number (this includes 2) but then because 2 would make the equation undefined you have to remove it... But X is still an element of all real numbers.

Uncapped is the same, its Uncapped if certain guidelines are followed. Just because you may not like it does not make it false advertising.
 
Right so I have no idea what you explained there, it looks pretty impressive, too tired to think now after work and im sure it all makes sense.

BUT, this is the what I get from creating equations with download limits and connection speeds.

Lets say you have a uncapped 4mb connection.

If you where allowed to download at fullspeed nonstop without hitting any cap, you would be able to download in the regoin of 1.2 terrabytes a month.

one point two terrabytes!

If we where given only 10% of that, we could download 120gigabytes a month

ten percent!

right now we are probably getting something in the region of 5% if we are lucky. 60GB

how the hell does this fall into any category of acceptable?

imagine buying something and you only get 5%(or less) of your purchase?! oh wait, its happening..
 
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Right so I have no idea what you explained there, it looks pretty impressive, too tired to think now after work and im sure it all makes sense.

BUT, this is the what I get from creating equations with download limits and connection speeds.

Lets say you have a uncapped 4mb connection.

If you where allowed to download at fullspeed nonstop without hitting any cap, you would be able to download in the regoin of 1.2 terrabytes a month.

one point two terrabytes!

If we where given only 10% of that, we could download 120gigabytes a month

ten percent!

right now we are probably getting something in the region of 5% if we are lucky. 60GB

how the hell does this fall into any category of acceptable?

imagine buying something and you only get 5%(or less) of your purchase?! oh wait, its happening..
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There is a thread on these forums where users indicate they have downloaded several hundred GB per month. Have all their accounts been terminated?
 
you're right i apologise, i get a bit worked up when i start thinking about this subject. but i have run into situations as i have described with family, friends and clients.

internet solutions have a new thing (well it is to me) that they limit your speed if you are in the top 20% of bandwidth users, of their uncapped shaped 4mb account, when asked what the average user uses, they replied with 15gb, above that you fall in the top 20% ... lol

thats what made me think of the post above.
 
D34M0n7 said:
Uncapped does not in any way mean that there are no limiters what so ever, to think so is to be utterly ignorant.

An uncapped service means that your connection will never be terminated based on your exact usage, this does not mean that it can't be shaped or throttled... as long as the connection does not stop at X amount then its uncapped. Just because you WANT uncapped to mean no limiters what so ever does not mean it is that way.

AUPs are what ISPs use to control their network, only the ignorant/stupid do not understand them.

Its simple, if you use an uncapped product within its FUP/AUP it will remain uncapped, if you break a rule your account can be closed, if it was not for this the network would be much worse off.

If I have to use an analogy this is what it would be:

Y= ((X-2)^(7.10^4))/(X-2) In this case X is an E of R but X =/= 2

Take X is E of R as the word Uncapped and X =/= 2 as the AUP.

So X is an element of all real numbers but is not equal to two.
What this says is X can be any real number (this includes 2) but then because 2 would make the equation undefined you have to remove it... But X is still an element of all real numbers.

Uncapped is the same, its Uncapped if certain guidelines are followed. Just because you may not like it does not make it false advertising.
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Accounts have up to now (mostly) been sold as

"512kbps with a cap of 2GB (shaped)"

With uncapped you imply no limit i.e. the restriction of amount of data to be downloaded is lifted - so there is no restriction, hence no cap. This is in effect the same as UNLIMITED or UNMETERED.
 
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