Developers on Flexi hours

[Necropolis]

After you become indispensable to projects, you can then choose who you want to work for and with. Not to mention your earnings will increase exponentially.

Maybe.

 

[Kerrits]

I love the "do only what the contract states" guys. Makes it easier come promotion time. Pity about all the "racism" or "BEE" whinging afterwards.

 

[Ho3n3r]

Do more than what you are paid for.

No.

Why is it fair for the company to exploit employes' loyalty, but when the employee needs something, it's too much to ask? If the work is too much for 1 person to do in the time you are paying them for, it's the company's responsibility to hire more people to do the work, not the employee's duty to uproot their personal life.

Just for clarity, I gladly work overtime for my current employer since they go the extra mile to keep me happy as an employee - but I left my previous employer for expecting the same with no respect for my personal life.

 

[Ho3n3r]

If you are a junior, why work with other tech after hours? One of the biggest mistakes some people make in IT is not specialising. First become a guru at whatever you are doing, then branch out a little.

Whether you are a contract worker, permanent, junior or senior you should have a passion for what you are doing. Arrive that little earlier to work and out do everyone else. Learn more, know more and be the go to guy. You will go from junior to senior in no time with the right mindset. After you become indispensable to projects, you can then choose who you want to work for and with. Not to mention your earnings will increase exponentially.

You're confusing passion with responsibility and extortion. Don't mix them up.

 

[Necropolis]

I love the "do only what the contract states" guys. Makes it easier come promotion time. Pity about all the "racism" or "BEE" whinging afterwards.

I also love all the "do a ****load more than we are paying you for" bosses.

It goes both ways.

 

[Ho3n3r]

I love the "do only what the contract states" guys. Makes it easier come promotion time. Pity about all the "racism" or "BEE" whinging afterwards.

I got the equal biggest increase this year at my company, and I'm one of those. I work overtime when needed, or get more work done in the allotted time - working smarter, not harder.

My boss fully gets that working your life away leads to less productivity. Sounds like you and SizJizzy can learn a lot from him.

 

[Ho3n3r]

I also love all the "do a ****load more than we are paying you for" bosses.

It goes both ways.

Nailed it. It's like a one way street with these guys.

 

[Pho3nix]

Nailed it. It's like a one way street with these guys.

It's meant as a show initiative and willingness to learn POV.
Not get exploited without lube.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Most companies I've worked at have a 9-3 policy. how u make up your 40 hrs is your business and not having stuff to do is not valid especially if u not in office.

How do you get 40 from a 9-3?

 

[Ho3n3r]

It's meant as a show initiative and willingness to learn POV.
Not get exploited without lube.

Of course. But initiative != working hours that won't be necessary with proper planning by the company.

Initiative = doing Pluralsight courses after hours.
Exploitation = "Oh, we forgot to add these 50 things to the scope 3 weeks ago, but the deadline's still tomorrow. Do you mind?"

Whether you like it or not, the latter is the norm in South Africa.

 

[Ho3n3r]

How do you get 40 from a 9-3?

9-6 or 6-3, with lunch.

 

[Pho3nix]

Of course. But initiative != working hours that won't be necessary with proper planning by the company.

Initiative = doing Pluralsight courses after hours.
Exploitation = "Oh, we forgot to add these 50 things to the scope 3 weeks ago, but the deadline's still tomorrow. Do you mind?"

Whether you like it or not, the latter is the norm in South Africa.

Depends on the company it seems.
When I was a junior, preferred to do videos and research at the office so I could ask if something wasn't working as it should AND I could switch off completely when home and actually relax.

Different strokes I guess.

 

[Ho3n3r]

Depends on the company it seems.
When I was a junior, preferred to do videos and research at the office so I could ask if something wasn't working as it should AND I could switch off completely when home and actually relax.

Different strokes I guess.

Probably more a different environment.

At my first programming job, watching videos to learn was out of the question, as there was a data cap - but this was a while ago, when having caps wasn't weird. Also, it was a 1 man company and me. But I get what you're saying.

Being more experienced, seeing work done is all that counts - the client pays for 8 hours, and watching videos will be a big no-no for them, even if it's wrong, but they're the ones paying, so it's nothing to argue about.

So I still very much see it as initiative to do that at home, especially seeing as I'm very much intermediate now, if not senior. If I can't figure something programming-related out at home on my own, then I would seriously start to doubt my own competency. This, of course, is entirely acceptable for juniors, as they are very much learning on the job. I would even say doing tutorials in work time is at least 25% of their assignments.

 

[froot]

According to my contract I'm on fixed hours.
Because my position also incorporates a lot of support to internal staff, I am more or less glued to office hours.

Although internally they let me work when I want. As long as the work gets done, no one complains.

 

[Necropolis]

How do you get 40 from a 9-3?

Point being you have to be in the office between 9-3 you can make up the rest of the hours either side of that time-frame as you wish.

 

[Nerfherder]

Going the extra mile either gets your contract extended and/or better opportunities materialise. Not to mention at junior level you will be learning more than whoever you may be working with.

Rubbish.

Do more in less hours, that will get you noticed. People who hang around trying to look like they are working are surfing the net.




I have been lucky, I'm in support so my hours are varied and they have been relaxed about when I'm in the office as long as I'm available.
Its starting to change a bit as more people have joined our office and they wan't to be as informal as I am. Before we were just a satellite office with 2 -3 guys.
The head office has always been more strict but they get to have flexi time as well. They just have to be in 9 -3

 

[Syzygy78]

You're confusing passion with responsibility and extortion. Don't mix them up.

Not at all. A little earlier does not mean getting to work at 5AM. Also, as a developer you need to be accountable and take responsibility for a project. If you feel you are being extorted at anytime, GTFO

 

[Ho3n3r]

Not at all. A little earlier does not mean getting to work at 5AM. Also, as a developer you need to be accountable and take responsibility for a project. If you feel you are being extorted at anytime, GTFO

Obviously. That's the way companies lose great developers, replacing them with mediocre ones who can't find better jobs.

Also, let us know the name of your company so that we can avoid it for future employment.

 

[Syzygy78]

Rubbish.

Do more in less hours, that will get you noticed. People who hang around trying to look like they are working are surfing the net.




I have been lucky, I'm in support so my hours are varied and they have been relaxed about when I'm in the office as long as I'm available.
Its starting to change a bit as more people have joined our office and they wan't to be as informal as I am. Before we were just a satellite office with 2 -3 guys.
The head office has always been more strict but they get to have flexi time as well. They just have to be in 9 -3

You are speaking of efficiency. I am speaking of going the extra mile...

 

[Syzygy78]

Obviously. That's the way companies lose great developers, replacing them with mediocre ones who can't find better jobs.

Also, let us know the name of your company so that we can avoid it for future employment.

Why be held back working for just one company?