-
Join the MyBroadband community
South Africa’s biggest forum. Discuss, discover, and connect with thousands of members.
-
Question of the Day: Will you be subscribing to the new Disney+ R49 streaming package?
Developers start to build their own triple-play telecoms systems
- Thread starter rpm
- Start date
telkomsuig
Expert Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 2,422
- Reaction score
- 0
I'm seeing it more and mor ein JHB developments... I'm just wondering what Telkom's view on this is? roads within most developments are transferred to the local council after completion surely you can't cross public roads legally at the moment with fiber..
That sounds like an interesting legal test case!
If the road infrastructure is privately owned at the time that the fibre is installed it is obviously not illegal... do telkom have the right to demand removal of infrastructure - say FTTH - that they have no way of replacing??Yes but if it is a security complex scenario, then the said roads are not in the public domain. I know there was some statememnts about sectional title "estates" and the common property, but surely this cannot be controlled by Telkom or ICASA?
telkomsuig
Expert Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 2,422
- Reaction score
- 0
All depends on the type of estate we are talking about... the bigger ones normally transfer the roads back to the council after development as it is quite expensive to maintain the roads... the smaller sectional title schemes don;t do it mainly because their internal roads are not up council standards...
I know Zimbali wanted to install a internet backbone a few years ago but canned the idea when Telkom threatened to cut their telephone access.
I know Zimbali wanted to install a internet backbone a few years ago but canned the idea when Telkom threatened to cut their telephone access.
Hmm well then, the problem is easily solve, underdeveloped roads = better and cheaper telecoms
Ah yes, then there is always that, Telscum doing what they do best, obliterate any form of competition.
lenosb
Well-Known Member
especially as services such as Video on demand will be a reality in the next few years,” Loots said.
Hows that for optimism!
Hows that for optimism!
telkomsuig
Expert Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 2,422
- Reaction score
- 0
Well I know of atleast wo developments where they are currently installing this ... www.jackalcreek.co.za and www.blairatholl.co.za so it is a reality for some 
acidrain
Executive Member
What a brilliant idea... looks like apartments in complex's will be the next "IN" thing to have.
but one question... from the sounds of it all they doing is connecting the complex together so that one big bandwidth can be bought instead of many small ones, much like the difference between wholesale and retail, saving money or are they trying to provide internet solutions aswell. If not i wouldnt see how this would be illegal to connect one apartment to another and sharing the cost... much like what houses do with wi-fi (if you know the other guy that is)
but one question... from the sounds of it all they doing is connecting the complex together so that one big bandwidth can be bought instead of many small ones, much like the difference between wholesale and retail, saving money or are they trying to provide internet solutions aswell. If not i wouldnt see how this would be illegal to connect one apartment to another and sharing the cost... much like what houses do with wi-fi (if you know the other guy that is)
captainwifi
Senior Member
- Joined
- Mar 4, 2005
- Messages
- 834
- Reaction score
- 1
Seem http://www.atec.co.za have been reading my posts. Acidrain an
even more brilliant idea is for houses to cross public roads and emulate
http://www.atec.co.za as I explained here http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/LegalPerspective
ATEC not the only option
Recently there have been various new complexes offering "internet" connections. It seems that most of these are just offering an internet connection - that is the physical cabling, and the users still need to acquire their own ISP. I personally am glad that companies like ATEC are coming to the party and installing services that have been needed for a long time now. I see that there are also other companies, like Flashnet that offer similar, if not the same. Interestingly Flashnet offers "guarenteed speed"... I think that within the next year ALL new developments will have internet and related services installed as standard.
Recently there have been various new complexes offering "internet" connections. It seems that most of these are just offering an internet connection - that is the physical cabling, and the users still need to acquire their own ISP. I personally am glad that companies like ATEC are coming to the party and installing services that have been needed for a long time now. I see that there are also other companies, like Flashnet that offer similar, if not the same. Interestingly Flashnet offers "guarenteed speed"... I think that within the next year ALL new developments will have internet and related services installed as standard.
Hi Guys
Thanks for all the feedback and discussion- it's great to see a majority of postive feedback towards our product and our vision for telecoms in South Africa.
Firstly let's start off with legalities. Our model is that we install a network which becomes the property of the home owner's association/ body corporate. We only install the network where the roads is private and we then connect such network onto a leased line from Telkom (first prize) or whatever telecoms is available. We then sign SLA's with the home owners to deliver certain services: Quite simply if we're no good, we get kicked off and the network can be managed by anyone of our competitors. Looking at both acts this model, is in our opinion at least, 100% legal, in the same way that any office network is legal:
a) The network doesn't cross any public roads.
b) The network is for the use of a closed, defined group of users
c) The owner of the network does not make a direct profit from owning the network.
Between these three facts I think that the requirements of both acts are covered. We've had some meetings with the head of licensing from ICASA and he agrees to this view, however we're still waiting to see how we should formally comply with their current unpublished regulations. Captainwifi, I'd like your views on this?
Secondly, guaranteed bandwith, it is quite possible to guarantee bandwith within our model as we try to make use of leased lines wherever we can. Further we have an existing agreement with Imperial Online whereby which we buy cheaper additional bandwith after hours (as the office aren't using it), so we try to be a bit inventive with how we can deliver the best product at a good price to our clients.
Thirdly, Video on Demand, as you all know the technology is not the issue, but the carrier from the server is and in addition to that, the content rights is also a major pain in the behind. We've been looking at ways of solving this problem and the one concept we're playing with is by having an on site virtual DVD store- ie if the carrier can't move the server information, move the server- and we have been in talks with some current content providers who has shown interest. Obviously there's just a business case to be considered in terms of getting enough numbers to support such an operation. I understand however that this is not true video on demand (in the European sense of the word) as it usually has an earlier release date, but it still beats driving to the shop and getting penalties for late returns -in my books at least.
Lastly I'd like to add that there are quite a number of alternatives to Atec, such as GTS and Smartvillage and that we are in no way trying to create just a new monopoly, so we welcome competition such as flashnet and if anyone from them would like to contact us, our doors are open. We believe that the only way for our telecoms infrastructure to become better and more internationally competitive is by allowing capitalism to be played the way it should be played and trust that we will secure our market share through service, affordability and innovation.
Regards
Gerhard Loots (MD ATEC)
Thanks for all the feedback and discussion- it's great to see a majority of postive feedback towards our product and our vision for telecoms in South Africa.
Firstly let's start off with legalities. Our model is that we install a network which becomes the property of the home owner's association/ body corporate. We only install the network where the roads is private and we then connect such network onto a leased line from Telkom (first prize) or whatever telecoms is available. We then sign SLA's with the home owners to deliver certain services: Quite simply if we're no good, we get kicked off and the network can be managed by anyone of our competitors. Looking at both acts this model, is in our opinion at least, 100% legal, in the same way that any office network is legal:
a) The network doesn't cross any public roads.
b) The network is for the use of a closed, defined group of users
c) The owner of the network does not make a direct profit from owning the network.
Between these three facts I think that the requirements of both acts are covered. We've had some meetings with the head of licensing from ICASA and he agrees to this view, however we're still waiting to see how we should formally comply with their current unpublished regulations. Captainwifi, I'd like your views on this?
Secondly, guaranteed bandwith, it is quite possible to guarantee bandwith within our model as we try to make use of leased lines wherever we can. Further we have an existing agreement with Imperial Online whereby which we buy cheaper additional bandwith after hours (as the office aren't using it), so we try to be a bit inventive with how we can deliver the best product at a good price to our clients.
Thirdly, Video on Demand, as you all know the technology is not the issue, but the carrier from the server is and in addition to that, the content rights is also a major pain in the behind. We've been looking at ways of solving this problem and the one concept we're playing with is by having an on site virtual DVD store- ie if the carrier can't move the server information, move the server- and we have been in talks with some current content providers who has shown interest. Obviously there's just a business case to be considered in terms of getting enough numbers to support such an operation. I understand however that this is not true video on demand (in the European sense of the word) as it usually has an earlier release date, but it still beats driving to the shop and getting penalties for late returns -in my books at least.
Lastly I'd like to add that there are quite a number of alternatives to Atec, such as GTS and Smartvillage and that we are in no way trying to create just a new monopoly, so we welcome competition such as flashnet and if anyone from them would like to contact us, our doors are open. We believe that the only way for our telecoms infrastructure to become better and more internationally competitive is by allowing capitalism to be played the way it should be played and trust that we will secure our market share through service, affordability and innovation.
Regards
Gerhard Loots (MD ATEC)