Do Climate Skeptics Change Their Minds?

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Until a few months ago, you'd be hard-pressed to find a more classic climate skeptic than D.R. Tucker. A conservative author and radio talk show host, he didn't buy the notion that greenhouse-gas emissions were causing temperatures to rise. He was pretty sure global warming was a hoax perpetrated by Al Gore and a cadre of liberal, grant-hungry scientists. Then Tucker did what partisan pundits and climate skeptics rarely do: He changed his mind.
"I was defeated by facts," Tucker announced on FrumForum, the popular conservative blog. In an April 18 post, "Confessions of a Climate Convert," Tucker told readers how he came to question the ideologies of the climate debate, examine the science, and conclude that global warming was, in fact, very real. Tucker's post sent a giddy ripple through green circles and stoked the ire of his libertarian colleagues.

This sort of thing doesn't happen often. Or at least, it doesn't seem to. Only 48 percent of Americans believe that global warming is at least in part "a result of human activities," according to a 2010 Gallup poll, down from 60 percent in 2007 and 2008.
Anthony Leiserowitz, director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, attributes this decline to five factors: The economic collapse, a severe decrease in media coverage, weather events like "Snowmaggedon," the efforts of the "denial industry" (the network of industry-funded think tanks and political advocacy groups that push skeptic views), and the "ClimateGate" debacle.
This shift toward climate-change skepticism makes Tucker's "conversion" all the more remarkable. So how did it happen?
Leiserowitz has been documenting trends in American climate belief for the past decade. He divides American attitudes toward climate change into six categories: "alarmed," "concerned," "cautious," "disengaged," "doubtful," and "dismissive."

The "alarmed," at one end of the spectrum, are the nation's green activists and Prius-drivers. At the other end are the "doubtful" and "dismissive" climate skeptics. Leiserowitz calls these skeptics "naysayers," and until recently they accounted for a small minority of Americans. When he began studying climate-change attitudes in 2002, naysayers accounted for just 7 percent of Americans. By last year, that number had risen to 26 percent. (By comparison, 23 percent are "cautious," 31 percent are "concerned," and 14 percent are "alarmed.")
Tucker was a naysayer. "I bought into Rush Limbaugh's view that the environmentalist movement was 'the new refuge of socialist thinking,' " he tells me. Tucker figured Al Gore and Van Jones (Obama's onetime green jobs adviser) were leading liberals in a plot that used the specter of climate change to snare more power. Leiserowitz would call this "dismissive" thinking.
Tucker's conversion began when he read Morris Fiorina's Disconnect, which outlines the way partisan divisions take shape between Democrats and Republicans, and points out that environmentalism used to be one of conservatives' chief concerns. Tucker's curiosity was piqued.
"Why was it that environmentalism was only associated with the Democratic party now? And it was from those political questions that I became open to the scientific questions," Tucker says. "It went from politics to the science."
After that, a friend convinced Tucker to take a look at the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Fourth Assessment Report—the authoritative synthesis of the most recent peer-reviewed climate science. "Initially I was a bit skeptical. But I kept on reading it, and there was just so much evidence, and it was so detailed, and it was so backed up, and it was so documented, that I was like, 'holy ****, this is for real.' "
In the months since then, Tucker has become an active proponent for climate legislation: He works with groups like the Citizens Climate Lobby, writes letters to his state representative in defense of the EPA, openly calls for a carbon pricing system, and continues to engage his libertarian friends on the issue.

But Tucker hasn't found much solidarity since his confession. "I have not received any—any—emails or any contacts whatsoever from people who have said they've had a similar journey," he says.
Before he wrote the piece, though, Tucker did meet two fellow climate converts: the married couple Susan and Roger Shamel, ex-Republicans from Bedford, Mass. They had converted back in 2006 after watching Gore's An Inconvenient Truth. Before that, the Shamels had been "doubtful"s, in Leiserowitz's terminology. Both were lifelong Republicans, though Susan's commitment had begun to wane as the GOP attacked women's reproductive rights.

After their daughter urged them to watch the film, they began researching climate issues, dropped their affiliation with the Republican party, and started the nonprofit Global Warming Education Network.
But since then, they have been largely unable to convince their friends and family of the veracity of climate science, and were eventually ostracized. "We found new friends," Susan says wryly.

This is unsurprising—entrenched ideologies often simply trump facts. People are prone to what psychologists called "motivated reasoning"; we instinctively bend available data to support our preexisting beliefs. Which means that when confronted with facts alone, skeptics usually don't budge.
That's why Tucker had to question politics first, before wrestling with the science. And the Shamels' slackening ideology likely opened the door to clear-headed analysis. Having friends and family members who are willing to goad you along helps, as does a willingness to open-mindedly wade through stuffy scientific reports. (More Americans have probably read War and Peace cover to cover than a single page of the IPCC's 4th Assessment report.)
Skeptics' reluctance to accept new information is a trait the physicist John Cook knows well. Cook runs Skeptical Science, a hugely comprehensive website aimed at rebutting climate skeptics' arguments. But after running the site for five years, he can only confirm a single case of a skeptic recanting.
I asked Anthony Watts, the meteorologist who runs what may be the most popular climate-skeptic blog, Watts Up With That, what could lead him to accept climate science. A "starting point for the process," he said, wouldn't begin with more facts but instead with a public apology from the high profile scientists who have labeled him and his colleagues "deniers."

Thankfully, most Americans remain persuadable. Polls reveal that most Americans' opinion of climate is relatively fluid, and shaped largely by current events. "Much of the ebbing and flowing of climate attitude … best resembles water sloshing in a very shallow pan," the New York Times' longtime climate writer Andrew Revkin says, "A lot of waves, very little meaning."

In other words, an extra-snowy winter may tip Americans toward "doubtful" and heat waves might lead them into "cautious" territory, but these events rarely have long-term effects. So general belief in climate change could rebound as the economy improves, or as the summers heat up. Of course, we're liable to slosh right back—unless, like Tucker and the Shamels, we've been convinced thoroughly enough to join the ranks of the "concerned" or the "alarmed." So what might lead the nation's skeptics and undecideds towards such meaningful conversions?
For skeptics, it'd probably require dismantling major chunks of the "denial industry"— the multinational corporations, conservative think tanks, and partisan cable networks that have an interest in promulgating doubt about climate science. This won't happen anytime soon. If you read this far include the word, "house" in your post.
The merely unconvinced need, above all, more and better exposure to the science. Schools should provide better climate education in their science curricula, and media outlets need to improve their coverage. With the scientific evidence growing ever more incontrovertible, and the impacts of warming becoming increasingly visible, it's possible that more and more Americans will slosh towards "concerned"—and stay there.

Please read the rest of the article at: http://www.slate.com/id/2293607/
I think hell just snowed over.
 
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Nope. Not this one.

You mischaracterise climate skeptics, of which there are several degrees.

No "climate skeptic" I know denies climate change itself. What is questioned is what the cause is of that change. The skepticism revolves mainly around the little word "anthropogenic".

a) some say there's not enough evidence to say definitively that humans have a part in climate change
b) some say there's no evidence to say humans play a role
c) some say that that the evidence quoted by "climate believers" is misconstrued either innocently or intentionally to push a political agenda.

Personally, I'm in the (a) and (c) "skeptics" camp.

And we won't debate it all again. Just wait and see.
 
Nope. Not this one.

You mischaracterise climate skeptics, of which there are several degrees.

No "climate skeptic" I know denies climate change itself. What is questioned is what the cause is of that change.

Why does the cause matter so much when the solution would hold regardless of the cause?
 
or d) accept that humans do have a role but it is impossible to apply a % as too how much humans are contributing towards climate change. Is it 5%, 20%, 75%? How would the contribution be measured?

I'm all for a "cleaner" environment, I just don't like the fact that it's become a political football.

@Grayston: Surely the cause is important...if the cause is natural (not caused by humans), then why have all this regulation and taxes?
 
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@Grayston: Surely the cause is important...if the cause is natural (not caused by humans), then why have all this regulation and taxes?

Because one way to increase the usage of cheaper, older, dirtier and environmentally dangerous technologies is to say: "Here you go - use as much as you want, tax free!"
 
For every "skeptic" who becomes a "warmist believer" there are ten "warmists" who becomes skeptics, especially scientists. Examples.

Also, "motivated reasoning" (choosing facts to suit your beliefs) applies equally to warmists as to skeptics, though you'd never guess that from Brian Merchant's article. In fact, I would aver that "warmists" tend to be more selective (and bend the facts more) because they already have a strong ideological sympathy with the political and economic agendas that warmists push. You can't be selective on this one, mate. Goose and gander.
 
Well of course they have political and economic agendas. So do the people punting big oil and coal-fired power stations. What's your point?
 
For every "skeptic" who becomes a "warmist believer" there are ten "warmists" who becomes skeptics, especially scientists. Examples.
Your opinion is completely false and misleading... there are not enough scientists who are climate change denialists to be even considered "fringe lunatic".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

There are more scientists that deny evolution than climate change... and thats less than 0.1%.

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[2][3] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions.


The only people confused on climate change are the easily manipulated. This is why there is not a country in the world not taking it seriously and investing a lot of money into it. Sure politically its an issue because the energy corporations are trying to protect their profits by putting massive amounts of money into lobby groups to effect policy and confusing the gullible.
 
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Why does the cause matter so much when the solution would hold regardless of the cause?

If you cannot identify the problem that you cannot argue the solution will solve the problem.
More importantly the solutions presented are costly, and some people stand to gain a lot by the forced implementation of this solution. If we say mankinds degree of influence on climate change is X, the solutions should technically address X, not Y. So if we add 2 degrees for example to overall temperatures, then the solutions should be designed to mitigate 2 degrees of overall heat, not 3, or 4, otherwise people are paying for something they didn't cause.

You can't quantify anything, yet we want to implement solutions whos effect we cannot really quantify...

Whenever someone is paying for something, someone else is getting that money. Some people stand a lot to gain financially out of this process, these people should technically not have any involvement in devising solutions as their opinions could be biased by they fact they stand to gain financially.

Unfortunately that goes for many scientists who rely on grant money related to research on climate change. You put out a scientific report by some scientist, who is PAID to produce this report. How can you blindly regard this as objective proof or evidence?

Auditors mentality coming in here...

Some scientists say X, others say Y. Those scientists promoting the anthropogenic view, get massive grants from the state to promote this view, and the state stands to gain from carbon taxes for example.

So the state pays people to tell others why it should get more money. That is just an example. I have no doubt that we influence our environment, my problem largely involves the proposed solutions.
 
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More importantly the solutions presented are costly,

In monetary terms, yes. That's why the money for them is best raised by taxing cheaper solutions which have costly (not in a monetary sense) side-effects.
 
Your opinion is completely false and misleading... there are not enough scientists who are climate change denialists to be even considered "fringe lunatic".
Did you bother to look at the source? It's not Wikipedia, which pretty much anyone without any credentials can edit (including you and me), but the Senate of the United States Congress. The IPCC report is a political document, not a scientific one. As you well know, it quotes many scientists who disagree with its conclusions. It even quotes leading scientists with universally acknowledged credentials who so emphatically disagree that they've asked the IPCC to remove their names from the report, which the IPCC refused to do until threatened with a lawsuit.

If this were a simple issue of readily-verified science it would not be controversial. There are political issues at stake in the proposed "solutions" to climate change, which is after all why you are posting here and not in some science forum. And why I am responding.
 
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Did you bother to look at the source? It's not Wikipedia, which pretty much anyone without any credentials can edit (including you and me),
So you start of with a ad hominem logical fallacy... lets see where you take the rest of your post...

but the Senate of the United States Congress. The IPCC report is a political document, not a scientific one. As you well know, it quotes many scientists who disagree with its conclusions. It even quotes leading scientists with universally acknowledged credentials who so emphatically disagree that they've asked the IPCC to remove their names from the report, which the IPCC refused to do until threatened with a lawsuit.
Lets get to the crux of your last statement rather than your wagging now. You were trying to imply that scientists in their droves (and you even implied a ratio of 10:1) were abandoning the concept. So I had to correct you and point out that no credible scientists have done that, and every single recognized scientific body in the world has accepted climate change. Not even the petroleum scientists can say its not happening.

If this were a simple issue of readily verified science it would not be controversial.
Completely false. This is readily-verified science. You simply havent looked at the evidence. Only people confused are gullible people and a handful of scientists being paid to be confused by big energy lobby groups. Scientists are unified on this. There is very little confusion on whats causing it. You are simply thinking there is confusion because you hardly know anything about the topic.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

There are political issues at stake in the proposed "solutions" to climate change, which is after all why you are posting here and not in some science forum. And why I am responding.
I post all the time in science forums about this topic, what on earth or you going on about now?

Seriously dude. If you are ganna pretend you have authority on a subject at least go freeken learn the subject. Speaking to you its like a creationist telling me they know all about evolution and there is no evidence for it. Which is a complete lie as there is TONS of evidence or otherwise every single recognized scientific body in the world would not have accepted it.
 
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Did you bother to look at the source? It's not Wikipedia, which pretty much anyone without any credentials can edit (including you and me), but the Senate of the United States Congress. The IPCC report is a political document, not a scientific one. As you well know, it quotes many scientists who disagree with its conclusions. It even quotes leading scientists with universally acknowledged credentials who so emphatically disagree that they've asked the IPCC to remove their names from the report, which the IPCC refused to do until threatened with a lawsuit.
No it's the James Inhofe (a known denier) blog on the senate site.

If this were a simple issue of readily-verified science it would not be controversial. There are political issues at stake in the proposed "solutions" to climate change, which is after all why you are posting here and not in some science forum. And why I am responding.

It's NOT a controversial issue in scientific circles. The "controversy" has been generated by those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Just like it happened with the "cigarettes cause cancer 'controversy'" .
 
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I agree that if we can't quantify the damage we're actually causing then the change to more "green" products shouldn't be so rushed.

It's kinda like any technology really... in development its expensive and still a work in progress but eventually it gets optimised and is cheap and the better solution.

Kinda like when bluray players came out you'd pay R5k and now you can pay R1.5k for one that's better than those old ones and at a fraction of the price.

We shouldn't over-react until we know for sure is all I'm saying. And yes.. I am familiar with all the evidence of global warming blah blah blah but we've been observing weather patterns for a couple of hundred years on a planet which is alot older than that.
 
I agree that if we can't quantify the damage we're actually causing then the change to more "green" products shouldn't be so rushed.

It's kinda like any technology really... in development its expensive and still a work in progress but eventually it gets optimised and is cheap and the better solution.

Kinda like when bluray players came out you'd pay R5k and now you can pay R1.5k for one that's better than those old ones and at a fraction of the price.

We shouldn't over-react until we know for sure is all I'm saying. And yes.. I am familiar with all the evidence of global warming blah blah blah but we've been observing weather patterns for a couple of hundred years on a planet which is alot older than that.

You should watch this documentary : http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/

It will put what you just said into perspective.
 
We shouldn't over-react until we know for sure is all I'm saying. And yes.. I am familiar with all the evidence of global warming blah blah blah but we've been observing weather patterns for a couple of hundred years on a planet which is alot older than that.

Well, we know for sure that temperatures are getting higher and weather is getting more extreme. Whether it's directly caused by us or not is - yes - still up for debate, but it is happening. Greener technologies help prevent us from adding extra fuel to the fire, as it were. Yeah it costs more money that dirty technology but it's cleaner, safer, and less likely to worsen the current global warming blah blah blah situation. :)

Sorry dude, but your argument is basically: We shouldn't extinguish this fire until we can find the culprit and make him pay for the fire engine first.
 
I'm not worried about climate change anymore. Not after I learned about the coming resource depletion. THAT'S scary ****.
 
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