Do i have a bottleneck ?

Chevron said:
Did you even look at the link you sent?

In Crysis Warhead there's a 4fps difference between his and the latest and greatest and the game where's a 50% difference his CPU already gives him 100fps.
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And in FC2 it's a 30fps difference. Overall the difference is noticeable enough that for a mid-range card like the 660 it's going to make an impact to his experience. And yes, I always want people to upgrade for the sake of it. That's what I do. More is more - or rather, Moore is Moore :p
 
cerebus said:
And in FC2 it's a 30fps difference.
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And his card still gives him 50FPS. Which is way above 30fps that's playable.

cerebus said:
And yes, I always want people to upgrade for the sake of it. That's what I do.
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That wasn't the OP's question though. He asked for his bottleneck.

Which, after all this, in order is:
Hard drive, GFX card then CPU.
 
My CPU still rocks for FC3 - max (4xaa/16xaf), Skyrim - max/loads of high res mods/textures/lighting (4xaa/16xaf)

Not saying it couldn't be better, but no stuttering/lag in games, ..and I think his CPU is probably better..

Chevron said:
Which, after all this, in order is:
Hard drive, GFX card then CPU.
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Agreed.
 
Chevron said:
And his card still gives him 50FPS. Which is way above 30fps that's playable.
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Do you find 30fps playable on a normal 60hz screen? I struggle when games slow down to 30fps, especially if there are 60fps parts. I'm playing Bioshock Infinite now and there are parts where it goes down to 30 on my system and you can really feel it.

That wasn't the OP's question though. He asked for his bottleneck.

Which, after all this, in order is:
Hard drive, GFX card then CPU.
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Hard drive yes. But between his CPU and his graphics I don't know, personally it's a tossup between them. They're both limited but he CPU is more so relatively.
 
cerebus said:
Do you find 30fps playable on a normal 60hz screen? I struggle when games slow down to 30fps, especially if there are 60fps parts. I'm playing Bioshock Infinite now and there are parts where it goes down to 30 on my system and you can really feel it.


Hard drive yes. But between his CPU and his graphics I don't know, personally it's a tossup between them. They're both limited but he CPU is more so relatively.
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And all we've been through and that's still your stance?

Now you're just trolling.
 
Chevron said:
What's with all the people saying upgrade CPU?

Have you actually seen any gaming benchmarks?

The only "slow" thing in his pc is his hard drive. Then next graphics card. And lastly CPU.
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It depends on how CPU dependent the specific game is. Remember the I5-650 is about on par with the really old Core2Quad Q9400.
 
It also depends on which games assuming its for gaming that the question was posed.
Newer games like BF4 are quite heavily cpu dependent. I still dont think that it will bottleneck a 660 though. It also doesnt mention if its a 660 or a 660ti which makes a little difference.
I ran the same CPU with a 6970 and there wasnt a bottleneck that caused anything noticeable.
 
Chevron said:
And all we've been through and that's still your stance?

Now you're just trolling.
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I posted a benchmarking review showing a clear, sometimes drastic (sometimes not so drastic, but always present) improvement in gaming performance by upgrading CPU. His card is less than a year old and a fairly decent performer just a bit slower than a 7870; but his CPU is over 3 years old and was distinctly mid-range even when it came out - and you think I'm trolling when I tell him that his CPU is aging and should be upgraded? I do agree that his drive is the first clear bottleneck though. But for all your bluster you've yet to show a single benchmark. I reckon if he can even find a 2ndhand i7-860 he'll get a pretty big boost.
 
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cerebus said:
I posted a benchmarking review showing a clear, sometimes drastic (sometimes not so drastic, but always present) improvement in gaming performance by upgrading CPU. His card is less than a year old and a fairly decent performer just a bit slower than a 7870; but his CPU is over 3 years old and was distinctly mid-range even when it came out - and you think I'm trolling when I tell him that his CPU is aging and should be upgraded? I do agree that his drive is the first clear bottleneck though. But for all your bluster you've yet to show a single benchmark. I reckon if he can even find a 2ndhand i7-860 he'll get a pretty big boost.
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He'll get a boost, but won't change his user experience. In other words a waste of money.

If benchmarks bring you enjoyment then go for it. But seems like the OP just wants to play games. And for that almost any quad core, regardless of age will give you playable framerates.
 
Chevron said:
He'll get a boost, but won't change his user experience. In other words a waste of money.

If benchmarks bring you enjoyment then go for it. But seems like the OP just wants to play games. And for that almost any quad core, regardless of age will give you playable framerates.
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Wait what are you talking about now? He will get a boost but it won't change his 'user experience'? An extra 10fps can mean the difference between playable and non-playable; janky and smooth. He was asking about bottlenecks not user experience. On my screen if I drop from 50 to 40fps I can feel it; you get tearing and a noticeable stutter. That's user experience and it's quantified with framerates. If you aren't able to talk performance then you really aren't a part of the conversation here.

I have a friend whose q9300 machine got warrantied out and he got a 3770k as a replacement. When I asked him if it had made a difference he said that they were in a different league - there's really no comparison.
 
briggs said:
i would like to ask you guys if i have a potential bottleneck
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"Bottleneck" has meaning if you say about TASKS you solve. And b/n is not only a problem of configurations, but "balance" too. If you're rich enough to buy gaming accelerator, why not invest to CPU too? (at least any i7)
"OC edition" is also not wise step: you pay more for the action you could do by yourself for free.
And hell, what a gramophone you buy in December of 2013? :) It's not even a 1155 socket!

Anyway if you plan gaming, GPU/CPU/RAM is the main things which should be the first class. (RAM means SIZE of RAM, not that ridiculous Hz).
 
He also mentioned he has a GTX 660 OC version.
Which is a fair bit better than the stock GTX 660.

imo hdd and then cpu in the long run.
 
This can be easily solved.

Run benchmark with settings X at stock CPU speed.

Run benchmark again with settings X at a reasonable overclock on the CPU.

If you see an increase in FPS then its your CPU that is limiting your GPU. If you suspect this, put your GFX card in another PC with a MUCH faster CPU. If there is a massive difference in terms of FPS, then case solved.

This is how I trouble shoot bottle neck for CPU/GPU and works each time 100%
 
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