Do we have Hardcore raiders/players ....

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Hi guys and gals , I know I seem new here but I'm more of the reading guy....

I am wondering if it has what it takes to create a mASSIVE SA guild ONLY on a server with Good latency and currency to start off new in WOTLK ?????

Now that we all know that cross realm transfers is opent from PVE to PVP ..

Im am currently playing in a guild called Precedent / Nordrassil , we were ranked No 3 in the world in Pre -TBC and we were not long ago ranked no 9 but due to loosing people and getting bad recruits , the guild went down and because of the limmitations of PVE peeps on PVE servers .. well we are calling it a day so I was thinking of taking this guild to a server new , perhaps a PVP server like Magtheridon or something like that wich tops the ranks now days and maybe start from scracth with our new SA buddies and also maybe rock the world ....???

Guys please keep and open mind on this and lets talk about it and maybe we have a good response to start something like it ???


My toon is called Inzomniak LVL70 Undead warlock , please go and look for youreself , im no noob BUT is Hardcore raider

Thanks guys hope to have some good news soon , Oh yes for starters I need like 15 peeps plus to start 1 active 10 man guild for wotlk to clear game content through levelling and topping ranks again....
 
Go have a look on Twilight's Hammer, there are a couple SA raid guilds hanging around there.
 
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I think Twilights Hammer would be a good place to move to. Seems like a decent population of SA people.
 
not enough hardcore on TH though not that type your looking for I'm afraid, I would join a top Sa guild but then people disconnect and blame telkom, ask them what connection they got and they say wireless crap >_< unfortunately that type of mentality is keeping up from making a total hardcore guild aiming at world 1st.
 
An unfortunate truth. No matter how much you love the game and wanna be super pro at it, if you have 400-600+ ms ping and are disconnecting in the middle of boss fights, you simply can't be relied upon. And when half of a raid, as a result, disconnects/lags out on a boss fight, well it's pretty obvious tempers start to flare.

I doubt I'll ever really raid with a SA guild again, at least not in a HC capacity. I xferred off TH and joined a EU 'casual' guild that went further in 2 months than my prev 'HC' SA-only guild went in 6. Ping is simply too much of a factor, among others (like, azanians are terribly emo, cocky, overly serias, take everything personally etc etc).
Sure, it can be done and there are plenty 'hardcore' ZA guilds that have managed to at least clear BT, but too often it's like p1ssing against a hurricane, and progress is slow.
 
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exactly try interrupting a boss's heal like council or ROS with a ****ty rogue and a crappy conn and not to mention his dps will most probably be sub par as well his useless if he can't do his job
 
I personally would avoid any hardcore guilds. becomes too much like a job and why pay for it when its like a job.

I'm in a casual guild and we are have Lady Vasj on 14%. We have a laugh noobing about when we arent raiding. Although the guild itself raids 4 or 5 times a week, we very seldom have the same people in 2 days in a row. We dont force people to raid. We have people that take weeks or even months off and when they come back its great to catchup. We have some interested raid setups and done suprisingly well under the circumstances. We have TK on 3/5. Did the first boss in MH. Its a lot more fun with a more casual vibe around where people treat it like a game :)

Although we probably wont finish all the content by the next expansion, our guild isnt gonna break up over boredom either.

We have our share of problems, but generally get through it. We had issues with people who wanted to raid more "hardcore" who left and we wished them well. It resulted in us not raiding for about a month, but we messed around with alts while we got things sorted. We still do some heroics and stuff with these people. They are still friends.

We have a mix of players from UK, continent and even a few SAFFERS :) Guild will be 2 years old in Oct and we are all looking forward to new hairdo's in Nov :)
 
That is personal choice though, a hardcore guild isn't all about boring focus till you get the boss down type of thing, we just try and limit downtime a lot wipe more then you and maybe put a extra hour or 2 in per day, but don't think we don't have a laughter over vent, fun leveling alts all that kind of **** we also got just take raiding a bit more serious.
 
The only real diff between hc and casual is how much time the guild spends raiding. While the guild I'm in now is a lot more casual(about 3 nights a week) and raids somewhat less often than before(which was at one stage 5, 6 days a week), when we DO zone in we take the raid seriously, know the strats, come well prepped and geared and minmaxed and try just as hard to accomplish the objectives set out. Of course progress is slower due to the more relaxed schedule but that's about the only real difference.
 
my guild only starts raid invites at 9 SA time, and its getting bloody annoying raiding till 12/1 and being a zombie at work the next day....

what time do you guys start the raids usually?
 
So far our guild only really raids Kara with a ZA run for the top boys once every 2 weeks or so.

Most of our guys are +- 200 IMBA now & even though it's below our "gear" stats, we still lack 3 or so lvl70s to make a 25-man gruul/Mag run.

We're by no means a hardcore raiding guild or even a proper raiding guild, but we have cleared kara without a single wipe and on a separate occasion we cleared in 4hrs30 (which is slow for all you top raiders, but take into account 1/3 of the guys have only been lvl70 for 1-2 months)

We normally start at 8:30 on week days and around 7 on weekends... it works out fine for most guys doing meetings/supper/whatnot.

It's way better having some chilled humour in the guild instead of just raiding the entire time and as mentioned ... making it feel like work.

We had the "death race world series" a while back where all the guys make a lvl 1 char and we race from places like stormwind to booty bay etc, just to bring some laughs back into the game. Otherwise unless we're in an instance, if one of our lowbies are being ganked by hordies, we race to try and see who gets there 1st to help out.

Last night we helped a lowbie being ganked in STV, we ended up cleaning out 10 70s in goldshire before they could get to SW .... and eventually we took the zeppelins to Orgrimmar & eventually hearthed back from lower Undercity :P

helluva detour but we just missioned around for the hell of it :D
 
3 Times a week,from 8-12 for BT and Hyjal. 1 day ZA 1 Day kara,1 Day classic raids like AQ BWL and Ony

With a semi-shaped account i'm perfectly able to nuke council's casts with very respectable dps,and my CD for interrupts is even longer than a puny rogue :P
 
There are hardcore (mostly) South African guilds getting ready on Twilight's Hammer and we'll see how they do :)
 
Don't hold your breath. ;) With all the breakups and drama going around and the whole move to 10-man raiding for all content never mind scores of longtime experienced raiders moving to Warhammer, I doubt many guilds will survive in their current form. There's going to be a period of total chaos immediately after Wrath that all the best preparation right now can't make provision for. I say roll with it, see what happens.
 
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That is personal choice though, a hardcore guild isn't all about boring focus till you get the boss down type of thing, we just try and limit downtime a lot wipe more then you and maybe put a extra hour or 2 in per day, but don't think we don't have a laughter over vent, fun leveling alts all that kind of **** we also got just take raiding a bit more serious.
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Agreed. Its more to do with the hours you can give to your guild, I guess.

Our guild is very tolerant of people who cant always make it, or who have to log off all of a sudden, or afk to put the kids to bed. While this is been brilliant in that it has been a vehicle for more casual players to see SSC, TK, MH and BT, we have never thought we would clear everything before the next expansion. I especially proud of what has been achieved. When someone has to log off we call in a replacement who is totally unprepared, no flasks, foods etc, and we give it our best shot.

We have had problems because invariably we will wipe much more than any hardcore guild, purely because we never have the same team on consequetive nights. This has caused problems, but we have gotten over them, sometimes with some drama :)

One example is that we have been wiping on Lady Vasj for about 3 weeks now. You can almost sense the frustration across vent before the pull when someone says "so this is my first 25man raid. wtf happens here?" lol. On Monday we got her to 14%, our best effort. Suddenly we think we can farm Sunwell as well now. lol
 
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Don't hold your breath. ;) With all the breakups and drama going around and the whole move to 10-man raiding for all content never mind scores of longtime experienced raiders moving to Warhammer, I doubt many guilds will survive in their current form. There's going to be a period of total chaos immediately after Wrath that all the best preparation right now can't make provision for. I say roll with it, see what happens.
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The 25 man is still there. The 10 man just adds an extra element, which is more likely to be utilised by more casual or smaller guilds.

The 25 man raids are still the top raids and people will always aspire to master those.

I wouldnt worry too much about Warhammer. People will move from WoW to Warhammer and back. I have heard that Age of Conan is still a bit raw and a lot of people are coming back to WoW. Over time there will be movement between all 3 either way with people even playing 2 or more !

If your guild breaks up join another one. There is going to be the leveling phase to 80 and then we raid again. During the leveling phase it should be easy enough to find another guild if you have to.
Do pugs and meet people and add to your ignore list. lol.
 
Time will tell. I'm a FoA member and I'm optimistic as to how we will do on Twilight's Hammer. We're probably one of the oldest SA WoW guilds and we haven't broken up yet. We may not be the most hardcore guild but we killed Illidan on US pings and we've always done fairly well for ourselves.

It'll be interesting to see how Cake or Death does. A lot of their officers and members seem to be previous or current Affliction members and they look to be taking a hardcore approach as well. Affliction is also a pretty long standing guild - since early 2006?

There's drama in almost every guild - its not limited to South Africans. Whether the guild survives or not is a testament to the camraderie in the guild and how mature the leadership is in dealing with the drama.
 
few things,

25man raiding currently is only such a big deal because the only 10man raids available are KZ and ZA. KZ is phenomenally more popular than any 25man raid content. Most 'raiders' only ever raided 25man stuff because they were bored with KZ and there was nothing else. With 10man versions of every raid now being available, only the most diehard hardcore raiders will bother, and, guess what, about 97.3% of SA WoW 'raiders', aren't. They're casuals who pretend otherwise. Every story's the same: 1 or 2 SA okes want to raid seriously, so they drag along a half dozen of their mates who can barely tell their left from their right. That's SA raiding.

And WAR <> AoC. We're talking about the people behind DAoC, we're talking Mythic who'd been doing MMO's years before Blizzard arrived on the scene, and the retail power of EA, not some company nobody's heard of ('Funcom' roflol). And while I doubt WAR will be an outright WoW killer the fact is, it doesnt have to be. It is merely one option and one factor that will add to the whole. And trust me, there are enough PVP fans who will toss WoW for WAR due to the vastly superior PVP and I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more PVP'ers in WoW than PVE'ers - it's no coincidence popularity shot up so dramatically with the inclusion of Arenas and the dilution of 'hardcore' PVE (shorter 5mans, 10 man raids, etc). Most MMO players actually don't want all that painful largescale PVE raiding bull. Most just want casual PVE fun inbetween casual PVP fun. Even WoW is going that route with a greater emphasis on PVP (Wintergrasp, new BG, new arenas, achievements, titles, etc) and a much greater emphasis on casual PVE (every raid 10mannable). Like it or not, that's the way it's going.
 
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