Do we have Hardcore raiders/players ....

It surprises me to read up on all the SA players we have doing high level raiding i.e. BT & Sunwell.

Some of the guys in my guild (SA only) have been there from the start. We moved over from the BF2 servers and have been playing WoW ever since. The older chaps each have about 3-4 lvl 70s and have been jamming since vanilla wow.

Now my question is this, how does you guild prepare itself for 25 man raids? Gear wise and tactically?

We're a casual guild, but our top dogs know every little detail about every boss we ever fight. So they obviously do their homework thoroughly. Yet, the only raid our guild's finished is Karazhan, which we run weekly in 2 groups. They have attempted ZA but I don't think it's finished. We have about 23 active lvl 70s (38 in total, but spread across 23 accounts) and the average IMBA rating is +- 200 ( http://be.imba.hu/ ) which clearly reckons we're more than ready for end of ZA and we'd cream gruul/mags.

Some of our guys do stealth runs through instances to only fight the bosses for badges, which is used to gear up and we BG alot as well.

Is there something we're missing? Because it seems the old boys are being kept behind by the young ones while they get their gear ready. It's gotten to such a stage where I've only done Kara 5 or so times and already I'm fully kitted out and require no more drops aside from the odd ring/trinket.

Is there a method to our madness or are we somehow missing the plot?

Since everyone's going to be leveling like crazy I doubt very much that there's going to be much time left to hit the harder raids and rather head straight for lvl 80.
 
Voicysaurous said:
It surprises me to read up on all the SA players we have doing high level raiding i.e. BT & Sunwell.

Some of the guys in my guild (SA only) have been there from the start. We moved over from the BF2 servers and have been playing WoW ever since. The older chaps each have about 3-4 lvl 70s and have been jamming since vanilla wow.

Now my question is this, how does you guild prepare itself for 25 man raids? Gear wise and tactically?

We're a casual guild, but our top dogs know every little detail about every boss we ever fight. So they obviously do their homework thoroughly. Yet, the only raid our guild's finished is Karazhan, which we run weekly in 2 groups. They have attempted ZA but I don't think it's finished. We have about 23 active lvl 70s (38 in total, but spread across 23 accounts) and the average IMBA rating is +- 200 ( http://be.imba.hu/ ) which clearly reckons we're more than ready for end of ZA and we'd cream gruul/mags.

Some of our guys do stealth runs through instances to only fight the bosses for badges, which is used to gear up and we BG alot as well.

Is there something we're missing? Because it seems the old boys are being kept behind by the young ones while they get their gear ready. It's gotten to such a stage where I've only done Kara 5 or so times and already I'm fully kitted out and require no more drops aside from the odd ring/trinket.

Is there a method to our madness or are we somehow missing the plot?

Since everyone's going to be leveling like crazy I doubt very much that there's going to be much time left to hit the harder raids and rather head straight for lvl 80.
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Leadership is what you need then

*Start having competition runs for the 10mans to see who can down bosses the fastest and clear KZ at record speed. Always entertains us


For a start go play with Gruuly next

Req: 25 lvl70's in at least kara gear
Specs needed: 1 Full Prot/feral tank,1 Mage,1 Warlock,7-8healers. 2 offtanks. 1 Rogue/warrior/shaman for spell interruption. 1-4 Hunters for MD. 1 Main offtank - can be prot or dps with prot gear.2 secondary offtanks.
Voice comms preferably - TS,Vent,Ingame etc

1 Raidleader and 1 loot master


25mans are a bit different. In comparison to a 10man where is 2 drops per boss ( so 20% of your raid can get drops ) in 25man that drops to around 3 (
( 12% of your raid can get loot if you're lucky ). You'll have multiple people rolling on items instead of just 1 or 2 so you'd best have a loot master and set loot rules beforehand.

The repairs are big. The bosses hit hard. The rewards are...acceptable. Try getting your RL into a run with a guild that's farming the place so he can experience the actual fights - reading is one thing,videos are cute,but doing the fight is a whole new experience.
 
Voicysaurous said:
It surprises me to read up on all the SA players we have doing high level raiding i.e. BT & Sunwell.

Some of the guys in my guild (SA only) have been there from the start. We moved over from the BF2 servers and have been playing WoW ever since. The older chaps each have about 3-4 lvl 70s and have been jamming since vanilla wow.

Now my question is this, how does you guild prepare itself for 25 man raids? Gear wise and tactically?

We're a casual guild, but our top dogs know every little detail about every boss we ever fight. So they obviously do their homework thoroughly. Yet, the only raid our guild's finished is Karazhan, which we run weekly in 2 groups. They have attempted ZA but I don't think it's finished. We have about 23 active lvl 70s (38 in total, but spread across 23 accounts) and the average IMBA rating is +- 200 ( http://be.imba.hu/ ) which clearly reckons we're more than ready for end of ZA and we'd cream gruul/mags.

Some of our guys do stealth runs through instances to only fight the bosses for badges, which is used to gear up and we BG alot as well.

Is there something we're missing? Because it seems the old boys are being kept behind by the young ones while they get their gear ready. It's gotten to such a stage where I've only done Kara 5 or so times and already I'm fully kitted out and require no more drops aside from the odd ring/trinket.

Is there a method to our madness or are we somehow missing the plot?

Since everyone's going to be leveling like crazy I doubt very much that there's going to be much time left to hit the harder raids and rather head straight for lvl 80.
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25 man raids are more about everyone doing what they are supposed to be doing and not slacking. Not really the gear. The gear does make it easier, though.
 
What needs to happen is you need to go to a 25man, and wipe and die a lot and spend hours there and not cry and bitch and moan and toss all your cookies.

It's easier said than done, tbh.
 
Skurm said:
What needs to happen is you need to go to a 25man, and wipe and die a lot and spend hours there and not cry and bitch and moan and toss all your cookies.

It's easier said than done, tbh.
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Oh, I dont know. Its a piece of cake. We have wiping down to a fine art :)
 
I find training new content and bosses the best thing for me in the game and then ofc that 1st kill :)

I raid hardcore on EU Kilrogg with a bunch of Swedish people that turned their guild International.

I raided and cleared everything with them up to Felmyst. But I must say I think a all SA guild sounds cool but I think sometimes my latency saves my arse in game specially when I tank stuff like Brutallus. I would dread the idea of bunch of SA people spamming heals ...heal doesnt land for that 1 sec spike ...yeh u know :P

*sigh* give connections like some of these people I raid with ... >_<

and then they pay next to nothing for their 10-20mb / fibre what ever lines and have fantastic 20-100ms...GIEF!
 
Indeed.

*But* That makes it even more impressive when we can play as well as we do with our insane lag :)

As a sidenote it's a bit of a saving grace for arms having a few more milliseconds delay to get my slam into rotation and not reset the whole swing timer :P
 
Cool thanks guys ... yeh our guys are hitting Gruul next ... just waiting for the 25 spots to fill up. I did a imba guild report and the top 15 guys are all above 200-220 on imba with about 3 or 4 in the 230-240 area.

Apparently they've downed the 1st three ZA bosses & a couple of them joined another guild for a gruul run where they took down gruul, so we have our bases covered with gear and exposure.

I think we're going to have a problem with healers as we only have 5 lvl 70s. Tanks might be a bit better, but the majority of our guild is DPS in all shapes and sizes.

It's real sad to think that in 2 months' time raiding will be fairly obsolete and the warglaives etc will no longer have the stature they currently do. I'm still keen to get my pair even if I have to be boosted by lvl 80s :P
 
Glaives have been dropping like hotcakes on our server so they've lost their luster. Currently and I kid you not,at least 9 people are dual-wielding them. I've stopped counting the people only wielding one but its become less of a status thing. Even the ashes of al'ar are up from 1 to 5 in the last two months
 
PsyWulf said:
Glaives have been dropping like hotcakes on our server so they've lost their luster. Currently and I kid you not,at least 9 people are dual-wielding them. I've stopped counting the people only wielding one but its become less of a status thing. Even the ashes of al'ar are up from 1 to 5 in the last two months
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Ashes? I thought only that one kid from reach for a dream was the only person in the jooniverse to get one - and even then directly from blizzard.

Warglaives are so pretty... I've only seen 2 guys on our server with both ... one alliance, one horde. There is an alliance chappie walking around with 1 ... I'd rather not have one at all instead of walking around with everyone thinking "maybe if you just worked a little harder you could've had both ... you PUG replacement".

At least I got my kudu rhino drop from the brewmaster so hordies wont gun me so quickly in BGs ... seeing that the amani bear will be taken away once WotLK comes out.
 
The first al'ar was for that kiddo yes. Then it was made to be a very rare drop from Kael in TK. As I said the warglaives are overdone now. Far prettier is seeing someone with the Sword-breaker's Bulwark :)
 
Voicysaurous what is your guild name? Our guild Prophecy seems to be just a bit in front of you guys. We are farming KZ, cleared ZA the other day and cleared Gruul quite some time ago. Since we are a casual guild getting 25 players from the right classes and decent gear together is a mission. Must say it is damn hard to whack the last 2 bosses in ZA without atleast full T4 or some T5 from 25-man instances but we manged with some badge and crafted gear.
 
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