Do you believe aliens exist?

Do you believe aliens exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 351 69.1%

  • No

    Votes: 105 20.7%

  • Other

    Votes: 52 10.2%
  • Total voters
    508
wizardofid said:
Conspiracy theorists seem to have a severe allergy to empirical evidence show them a fact and they start foaming at the mouth like you waved garlic at a vampire
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Aah, so you believe in vampires




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Anyway, whatever some of us want to convince ourselves of, I guess.
For the rest - research available as usual, some of it sensible
 
Brian_G said:
Often discussed in a variety of published UFO material.
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Published does not mean authenticated. Can you give me the source the UFO publications used for their information?
 
Mariner said:
Published does not mean authenticated. Can you give me the source the UFO publications used for their information?
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The idea is for you to do your own research, if considered worthy to you. Clearly not
 
Brian_G said:
The idea is for you to do your own research, if considered worthy to you. Clearly not
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Actually, the rules of evidence state that if you make a claim, you need to provide the evidence to support your claim. You cannot demand that the disputant of your claim provide evidence you couldn't.
 
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Mariner said:
Actually, the rules of evidence state that if you make a claim, you need to provide the evidence to support your claim. You cannot demand that the disputant of your claim provide evidence you couldn't.
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Yes dear
 
Mariner said:
Why do you deem it necessary to resort to attempted humiliation when your argument is exhausted? This appears to be a recurring tactic on MyBB.
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You'll find your way around eventually ;- )

(Now why do I suspect you already know how it actually works...)
 
Mariner said:
Why do you deem it necessary to resort to attempted humiliation when your argument is exhausted? This appears to be a recurring tactic on MyBB.
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Because it is easy to get a rise out of people, they will keep on doing it because it is easy. The objective is never about proving a point nor being right. The objective is to annoy you as much as possible, even if they are wrong they still win in the end.

You will have more fun, if you dance with them, you will annoy them way more if they can't get a rise out of you.
 
Mariner said:
Maybe you need to inform us what you are speaking about. This is so vague that only UFO fans will have any idea what you are writing about, and I am not interested in reading tons of history and watching endless videos to catch up.

I had never heard of Bob Lazar before your post. Project Blue Book ended in 1969 and has been declassified. It contains no evidence of the existence of alien craft.
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US Government launched a disinformation campaign after the 1989 interview claiming that Bob Lazar didn't work for S4.

Bob Lazar's interview is almost an hour long but here's a summary:

He said he worked at a secret facility called S‑4, located just south of Groom Lake / Area 51, where the U.S. government allegedly stored nine alien flying saucers for reverse-engineering.

His role: helping to reverse engineer the propulsion system of one of the craft, especially focusing on what he called Element 115, which he claimed was used to generate antigravity/gravity-wave propulsion.

He described seeing the interior of one craft (with seats too small for average humans), reading briefing documents on alien presence, and being told to keep silent or face consequences.

Lazar stated that the craft didn’t use conventional exhaust or wings; instead the method was “bending space and time” so that the craft essentially brought the destination to it.

He claimed after going public his life was under surveillance, his phone tapped, his academic records mysteriously missing, and that he was effectively threatened to be silent.


While Project Blue Book is declassified and the authors arrived at the conclusion that there are no alien craft, there are 701 images of which the expert analyzers have not been able to identify the objects, even after rigorous analysis. The conclusion and shortage on conclusive findings do not match.
 
Jings said:
US Government launched a disinformation campaign after the 1989 interview claiming that Bob Lazar didn't work for S4.

Bob Lazar's interview is almost an hour long but here's a summary:

He said he worked at a secret facility called S‑4, located just south of Groom Lake / Area 51, where the U.S. government allegedly stored nine alien flying saucers for reverse-engineering.

His role: helping to reverse engineer the propulsion system of one of the craft, especially focusing on what he called Element 115, which he claimed was used to generate antigravity/gravity-wave propulsion.

He described seeing the interior of one craft (with seats too small for average humans), reading briefing documents on alien presence, and being told to keep silent or face consequences.

Lazar stated that the craft didn’t use conventional exhaust or wings; instead the method was “bending space and time” so that the craft essentially brought the destination to it.

He claimed after going public his life was under surveillance, his phone tapped, his academic records mysteriously missing, and that he was effectively threatened to be silent.
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He said he worked on a secret project and was told to keep quiet or face consequences. Nobody tells the holder of a security clearance that. The holder already knows by virtue of being security cleared and signing their particular Government Secrets Act. Which consequences did he face for not keeping quiet?

To bend time and space, the craft would have to generate a gravitational field so vast it would destroy any human crew and probably the craft itself. The laws of physics are not optional.

Numpty's aren't invited to work on secret projects. Their academic records would be verifiable and someone from their class would remember them.

Bob Lazar claims to have master's degrees in physics and electronics from MIT and Caltech, but neither institution has any record of him. His actual educational background includes only a high school diploma and some community college courses, and he has been described as having fabricated much of his professional history

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Regarding element 115:

Element 115, known as Moscovium (Mc), is a synthetic and highly radioactive element with atomic number 115. It was first synthesized in 2003 and has a very short half-life, making it unstable and primarily used for scientific research

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Just thinking..

I often see people saying that if we believe we are alone in the universe that we are are arrogant or stupid, because obviously they are out there, the math and probabilities say so. But are they? If we take the simulation hypothesis for example, it could be that we are the only lifeforms in a compartmentalised simulation. The universe which we see in the distance could just be an illusion. Can we really state anything for a fact beyond our solar system right now?
 
AnimateX said:
Just thinking..

I often see people saying that if we believe we are alone in the universe that we are are arrogant or stupid, because obviously they are out there, the math and probabilities say so. But are they? If we take the simulation hypothesis for example, it could be that we are the only lifeforms in a compartmentalised simulation. The universe which we see in the distance could just be an illusion. Can we really state anything for a fact beyond our solar system right now?
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*groans in binary*

If this is a simulation, it’s a pretty weird one. Like, who codes in arthritis, taxes, and global pandemics for fun? That’s not a simulation, that’s early access hell mode.

If the goal was to keep us unaware, they’re doing a terrible job, half of us are out here making YouTube videos about escaping the matrix. And why simulate entropy? You could’ve just frozen everything at peak graphics quality, but no, we’ve got dying stars and hair loss.

A real simulation would probably sandbox us, keep things neat, and auto-heal the bugs. Instead, the devs apparently said, “Nah, let’s add war, climate collapse, and quantum mechanics just to mess with them.”

So yeah, either it’s not a simulation… or whoever’s running it is running on Windows ME.
 
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wizardofid said:
*groans in binary*

If this is a simulation, it’s a pretty weird one. Like, who codes in arthritis, taxes, and global pandemics for fun? That’s not a simulation, that’s early access hell mode.

If the goal was to keep us unaware, they’re doing a terrible job, half of us are out here making YouTube videos about escaping the matrix. And why simulate entropy? You could’ve just frozen everything at peak graphics quality, but no, we’ve got dying stars and hair loss.

A real simulation would probably sandbox us, keep things neat, and auto-heal the bugs. Instead, the devs apparently said, “Nah, let’s add war, climate collapse, and quantum mechanics just to mess with them.”

So yeah, either it’s not a simulation… or whoever’s running it is running on Windows ME.
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Fair enough. Maybe it's outside of the scope of this thread and it belongs in philosophy but it is a mystery trying to comprehend our own existence and how we got started and whether other lifeforms "if" they exist are governed by the same rules.

Did we on earth get a specialised program that is so intricate we were intended to be misled on a path that could never be followed? We could just make the simplest deduction and say everything is as it is, but Occam's razor can be flawed too given context. I'm just not sure of anything yet.
 
AnimateX said:
Fair enough. Maybe it's outside of the scope of this thread and it belongs in philosophy but it is a mystery trying to comprehend our own existence and how we got started and whether other lifeforms "if" they exist are governed by the same rules.

Did we on earth get a specialised program that is so intricate we were intended to be misled on a path that could never be followed? We could just make the simplest deduction and say everything is as it is, but Occam's razor can be flawed too given context. I'm just not sure of anything yet.
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Let’s put it this way, the odds of complex or intelligent life existing are insanely low. The more you look into it, the more it feels like pure cosmic luck that we’re even here.


Humans, in some evolved form, have only been around for about 6 to 9 million years. Earth has been orbiting the Sun for 4.6 billion years, and life first showed up roughly 3.5 billion years ago. Complex life didn’t appear until much later, around 580 million years ago during the Ediacaran period. That was followed by the Cambrian Explosion about 541 million years ago, when life diversified at an incredible pace. Some newer evidence even hints that complex life might go back over 2 billion years, which really changes how we view evolution’s timeline.


Here’s the eerie part. Earth’s history is filled with mass extinctions. Life has been reset multiple times, sometimes every 26 to 30 million years by some estimates. Each time, almost everything gets wiped out, and evolution starts over from small surviving pockets. As the solar system stabilized, these events slowed down to about once every 80 million years. The last big one was 66 million years ago, the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and around 75 percent of all life. Statistically, we’re kind of due for another.


For life to evolve and advance, you need ridiculously long, stable periods between these resets. Even small disruptions like a nearby supernova, massive volcanic activity, an asteroid impact, or being flung out of your solar system can ruin everything.


People really underestimate how finely balanced Earth is. We’ve got a large molten iron core that powers a strong magnetic field through the geodynamo effect, which protects us from deadly solar winds and cosmic radiation. That same field also helps preserve our atmosphere, something Mars lost when its core cooled.


Then there’s our moon. It’s the fifth largest in the solar system, but proportionally the biggest compared to its planet. That’s huge. It stabilizes our axial tilt, which gives us seasons and keeps the climate steady. Without that tilt, Earth might be a frozen rock on one side and a scorched wasteland on the other. The moon is slowly drifting away, about 3.8 centimeters per year, but it’ll take billions of years before it truly escapes.


And that’s just local stability. You also need galactic stability. Stars explode, radiation storms sweep across space, and galaxies collide. The Milky Way itself is on a collision course with Andromeda in about 4 to 5 billion years. Luckily, stars are so far apart that the odds of a direct hit are tiny, but it still shows how fragile our setup is.


When you add all this up, Earth starts looking like an astronomical miracle. The right distance from the Sun, the right size, the right atmosphere, the right moon, the right core, everything lined up just right. This is basically the Rare Earth hypothesis: microbial life might be common in the universe, but complex, intelligent life like us is extremely rare because the conditions have to be absurdly precise.


So maybe there’s other life out there, maybe tons, maybe none. The odds point both ways. But when you realize how many things had to go exactly right for us to exist, it’s hard not to think we hit the cosmic jackpot.


And then comes the big philosophical question. What’s the point of all this? Are we here by sheer dumb luck, or is there some deeper purpose? We try to make sense of it, but the truth is, we don’t really know, and that drives us nuts. We crave order, meaning, and patterns. But making stuff up just to feel better doesn’t help. Sometimes you just have to sit back, look at the universe, and admit it’s hostile, unpredictable, and unbelievably special that we even get to be a small part of it.
 
Mariner said:
He said he worked on a secret project and was told to keep quiet or face consequences. Nobody tells the holder of a security clearance that. The holder already knows by virtue of being security cleared and signing their particular Government Secrets Act. Which consequences did he face for not keeping quiet?

To bend time and space, the craft would have to generate a gravitational field so vast it would destroy any human crew and probably the craft itself. The laws of physics are not optional.

Numpty's aren't invited to work on secret projects. Their academic records would be verifiable and someone from their class would remember them.

Bob Lazar claims to have master's degrees in physics and electronics from MIT and Caltech, but neither institution has any record of him. His actual educational background includes only a high school diploma and some community college courses, and he has been described as having fabricated much of his professional history

Wikipedia

Regarding element 115:

Element 115, known as Moscovium (Mc), is a synthetic and highly radioactive element with atomic number 115. It was first synthesized in 2003 and has a very short half-life, making it unstable and primarily used for scientific research

Wikipedia BYJU'S
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You make several fair points — the missing academic trail and the physics of Lazar’s propulsion model are still major weaknesses in his story.


But the part about “being told to keep quiet” isn’t that strange if his claims are genuine. Security briefings vary depending on the compartment or project, and clearances can include direct verbal warnings about consequences if the holder discloses restricted information outside the scope of their NDA or classified network. Whether Lazar exaggerated that or not, none of us can verify what kind of environment S-4 allegedly was.


On the physics side — yes, gravity-wave manipulation at human-scale energy densities seems impossible with our current understanding. But Lazar described it as a localized gravitational distortion powered by a stable isotope of Element 115 — which doesn’t exist naturally and, even when synthesized (as Moscovium), decays in milliseconds. That means either his “Element 115” isn’t Moscovium, or the story collapses under modern physics.


The mystery, then, isn’t about accepting every word he says. It’s why so many details he gave in 1989 (about base layout, propulsion focus, and government testing sites near Papoose Lake) keep echoing in later, unrelated reports.


I’m not saying he’s right — just that the case hasn’t been neatly closed either. Sometimes the most interesting part is why a story with so many factual holes refuses to disappear.
 
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