killadoob
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Does anyone know when AMD Bulldozer series will launch?
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Chevron
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If you're referring to performance, I saw benchmarks a few weeks back that shows BD outperform SB by 5/10% clock for clock.
Native 1866mhz memory support has already been confirmed. As for 16x16x pci-express, those are already available.
No official benchies. Plus at least one set were later admitted to be complete fakes.
foozball3000
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/still waiting.... 
Archer
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New release date is Q4, didnt even have a paper launch today from what I can tell :/
So best case it launches early October, with widespread availability in the northern hemisphere November, and then we'll get em around December. There will be a couple chips I'm sure that land here in November but it wont be much (same story as when Sandy Bridge came out)
So best case it launches early October, with widespread availability in the northern hemisphere November, and then we'll get em around December. There will be a couple chips I'm sure that land here in November but it wont be much (same story as when Sandy Bridge came out)
foozball3000
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Archer
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I was planning to buy my PC end of October... but looks like it will be an Intel then.
What really worries me is this:
No leaked benches that look real
No more press from AMD regarding performance
Price on the chips is LOW, as in really low. iirc the top end chip is $50 less than a 2600k
Now why would AMD keep everything secret, and have a low price if their chips were amazing? I dont think they would keep it all under wraps just so that Intel doesnt know what to do with LGA2011, they are losing too many potential sales in the meantime
foozball3000
Executive Member
My thoughts as well. There's no way I'm getting one on the day they launch, the plan was to let it mellow for a month or two until there's proper feedback. But based on the new schedule, that means I'll only buy my new PC in Jan - Feb... (Aint gonna wait that long)
cerebus
Honorary Master
Well yea but... they did just get a world record overclock on beta prototype CPUs. So at the very least I think you can say that the binning issues have been sorted out, and there are clearly no cold bugs...and they can take some punishing. I'd say at least that does bode well.
Archer
Honorary Master
I was about to bring that up, yes it can OC like a beast, thats a strong plus point. But thats all it means, it can OC like a beast. Previous record was held by a Pentium IV iirc. You dont see anyone rushing out to buy those do you? 
cerebus
Honorary Master
I was about to bring that up, yes it can OC like a beast, thats a strong plus point. But thats all it means, it can OC like a beast. Previous record was held by a Pentium IV iirc. You dont see anyone rushing out to buy those do you?
Well it means that all the rumors of problems binning the clock speeds are either false or resolved internally.
Archer
Honorary Master
All chips get binned (if we talking about the same thing). Intel does it, AMD does it, Nvidia does it. Differences are how many top end chips you get out of each wafer. So what the OC event proved is that of the chips selected to be FX-8150s most (if not all) of them OC very well. I wont help though to get 5 million ghz if the IPC is too low
Seems to be, and this is but my personal opinion (all rights expressively reserved), but we have the classic AMD (value) versus Intel (performance) fight, round 63*
* have not been counting, this number has been artificially inflated.
* have not been counting, this number has been artificially inflated.
Archer
Honorary Master
Yip pretty much. The only problem being the introduction of the 2700k by Intel. Rumours suggest this will come in at current 2600k prices, meaning the 2600k/2500k drop in price, and then AMD loses on value as well. Its looking a bit bleak and I seriously hope the FX-8150 can maul the 2600k (both at stock speeds)
An epic game of Cat and Mouse; leaking the 2700k, as well as announcing the price points of yet-to-be-announced yet-to-be-benched unseen unnreleased products is merely an instrument to inject uncertainty into each other and the market. This thread is, if nothing else, proof of this.
I will be truly shocked and disappointed if AMD comes late to the party with less value than Intel's current generation products (Including the Ivy Bridge tock).
cerebus
Honorary Master
The rumours were saying that AMD couldn't reach their targeted core speeds with the current binning process...suggesting that cutting their ties with TSMC was a bad move. So yeah I mean you're right, all we can say now is that it looks like they have good silicon, but the effectiveness of the underlying architecture is still totally unproven.
killadoob
Honorary Master
The fact that amd have delayed can only mean they do not have a product that can even come close to competing. So delay it until you do by which time intel comes out with a new product that destroys your new product.
So as i see it amd are now so far behind and i cannot see how they can catch up, at one point amd won on pricing/performance but intel is so cheap now they do not even have that to fall back on. If their product is a failure there is no reason other than being a hard fanboy to buy the product and i get the sense these days that even the most hardcore amd fanboy is considering intel.
So as i see it amd are now so far behind and i cannot see how they can catch up, at one point amd won on pricing/performance but intel is so cheap now they do not even have that to fall back on. If their product is a failure there is no reason other than being a hard fanboy to buy the product and i get the sense these days that even the most hardcore amd fanboy is considering intel.
cerebus
Honorary Master
Well that's just a pure fallacy. It could be that they don't have a competitive product, but in that case delaying would be the worst possible strategic move because a weak chip now is going to look even weaker in 2 months' time. With PhenomI the chips were overheating and underperforming but AMD pushed them out to get on schedule regardless, which hurt their market position. It could be that they have historical reasons for delaying in that case. Most likely in this case the delays are caused by scheduling issues which have always plagued AMD.
Personally I'm remaining totally unbiased on this one.... if they screw it up, they will probably have to get out of the CPU industry which will be terrible for the market... if they nail it, I'll consider buying.
killadoob
Honorary Master
So you would say they should release a slow overheating product on time as opposed to a good product that is late?
cerebus
Honorary Master
Eh...how did you get that impression? I said that their delay is likely due to the fact that they DON'T want to release a slow overheating product, which historically they did and learned their lesson from.