Don't borrow money, print more.

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Johannesburg - South Africa's central bank should target employment when deciding on interest rates and worry less about inflation when the economy is struggling, a top official from trade union federation Cosatu said on Thursday.

Chris Malikane, head of policy at the federation that is an ally of the ruling ANC, also said in an interview with the weekly Financial Mail magazine that the country should print money rather than take on debt.

The alliance of the ruling party, Cosatu and Communist Party agreed earlier this month to review the mandate of the central bank, to broaden it from merely targeting inflation.

The powerful trade union group wants the rand currency to weaken, interest rates slashed and inflation targeting - the bank is tasked with keeping consumer inflation at between 3 and 6 percent - scrapped.

It says the policy has led to rates staying too high, hurting the poor and costing the economy jobs during its first recession in nearly two decades.

Cosatu has gained more influence this year after helping Jacob Zuma rise to the head of the ANC and government, and has been pushing for the new president to shift away from a previously conservative, market-friendly stance. The comments give a clearer picture of Cosatu thinking.

Malikane - an economics professor at Johannesburg's Wits University - said targeting only one variable limited the extent to which the central bank could manage the economy.

"The key variable to include is employment. And to target employment you need the to use the growth rate as an intermediate target."

Interest rates

He said interest rates should be adjusted to line up with growth, even if this meant negative real interest rates.

"If we maintain a positive interest rate while there is a negative growth rate, government spending can only generate huge debt."

South Africa's Reserve Bank has cut its repo rate by 5 percentage points since December last year, but at 7 percent Cosatu says it is still too high given the economy has been in recession. Inflation eased to 5.9 percent in October.

It emerged from the slump in the third quarter but consumers remain under severe pressure. Almost a million jobs have been lost so far this year.

Malikane said targeting demand to fight inflation did not benefit the poor, as the good they spent money on, such as food and electricity, were influenced by monopolistic behaviour.

Printing money to boost the economy would be a better option than taking on debt - as the Treasury has announced it will do over then next three years to plug a tax hole.

"Why borrow when we can print money?" he asked.

This, though, should be measured so as not to hurt the economy and done in conjunction with lowering interest rates and weakening the currency.

"But in the process of stimulating the economy, we should make sure we don't overprint. It's better to have 10 percent inflation and the protection of one million jobs than inflation of 6 percent and the loss of one million jobs," Malikane said.

Cosatu Secretary-General Zwelinzima Vavi on Wednesday called for the rand to be 10 to the dollar. It was trading at around 7.40 on Thursday. The central bank has said it will not intervene to influence the rand, and government has vowed to stick to a free floating exchange rate policy.

Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan said after meeting a trade union group he welcomed different views, but added efforts to target inflation had been around for decades.

"Different methods have been used but the object has been the same, the need to manage inflation so it doesn't damage poor people," he said, Sapa news agency reported.

- Reuters

I have seriously had it with these fscking morons. How thick do you need to be to think one can just print money. And this after they saw what happened to ZIM and the reasons it happened.

COSATU, pls get some people with brains into your organization pls. You all collectively still have an IQ less than a rock....
 
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Bwaaahahahahahahaha!

Or, instead of going to all that hassle, and trying to fool yourself that it will actually work, you could curb the cause of the problems.

Problem = If we maintain a positive interest rate while there is a negative growth rate, government spending can only generate huge debt.

Solution = Stop government spending.

Captain Obvious told me this, while we were discussing the relationship between workers and the government.

What Captain Obvious also told me is that unemployed people are actively being encouraged to "make demands" instead of "make products".

:rolleyes:
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business

It's time we move into manufacturing and move away from Exports as our gross income. Countries like the UK survive purely by importing goods, manufacture and export.

And printing money is no way to drop the value of the rand. There are other ways which doesn't make it seem as if your country is heading South by printing money for mahala. This would be a clear indication that SA is heading the same route as ZIM and foreign investors will pull out.

This is by far the stupidest thing I have ever read out of any union next to the "Nationalise mines" thing said by the same union :o
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business

How about encouraging people to start a business. Loosen the red tape a bit? Encourage companies to employ more people by giving tax refunds. There are lot of ways, but printing money is probably easier. Just have to be careful that our currency don't become funny money ...
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business

Printing more money is exactly what zim did and in a modern age where I think the majority of transactions are done digitaly, the request smacks of ignorance of what "money" really is.
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business

We are net importers not exporters. So yes, exports will be with a strong rand but fuel, food, clothing... will all go up driving inflation.
If i remember correctly, a few months back that is, imports are double the exports.
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business

But we need to actually be competitive on the international stage in real terms, not artificially competitive because the currency value has weakened.
 
Seriously scares me as these top dogs are brainless and other brainless sheep pick up the chant and support these baffoons :mad:
 
I do not think they are saying one should do what ZIM did

A weaker rand is good if you are a country that exports - the local market will not see a huge change in the Rand being 10 to the dollar our import revenue will go up - try understand what government want to do, they need to try get more jobs in SA how do we do that if our costs are 2 high? we need to lower the cost into south africa so that we can start offering international services - telco costs dropped would help in the call center business

And when the rand has dropped so low and we can not import food anymore?

Hey but we can buy bread with a R1 000. So we will not die of hunger.
 
Is the ANC or COSATU/SACP running the country I am confused :confused:

The ANC as the senior partner in the alliance has the last say on matters of policy.
However, the waters are muddled by the fact that the secretary general of the ANC (he practically runs the ANC) is also the chairperson of the SACP and many other NEC members are very prominent in COSATU and SACP.
 
And when the rand has dropped so low and we can not import food anymore?

Hey but we can buy bread with a R1 000. So we will not die of hunger.

Hell we can even ship in our own money from germany after killing all the mondi forests. At least we'll never be short of toilet paper :D
 
Hell we can even ship in our own money from germany after killing all the mondi forests. At least we'll never be short of toilet paper :D

:D:D But we can not import because we have only Minopoly moneyzz:D
 
I assume the posters above that think the idea is SO CRAZY have never heard of "Quantitative easing". Which is what most the 1st world economies resorted to.

I think ANY method should be investigated. And people should rather inform themselves before resorting to the tired Zim 2.0 comments. :rolleyes:
 
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