Don't Get Vodacom 3g!

ic said:
Maybe you are overreacting [at least just a little bit], like you say:and IMO Vodacom will continue to be transparent bcos that is what works with customers :).

I'm sure that v3g will attend to your concerns as soon as he gets a moment to spend on the forum...

Well said, ic
 
ic said:
Maybe you are overreacting [at least just a little bit], like you say:and IMO Vodacom will continue to be transparent bcos that is what works with customers :).

I'm sure that v3g will attend to your concerns as soon as he gets a moment to spend on the forum...

Maybe you miss understood me, but I think that it is becuase of V3G's openess that the "old guard" at Vodacom may have come "down" on him, and hence they have somewhat stemmed V3G's regular flow of information.

Plus I don't think I'm overreacting, are we as paying customers not entitled to know what is going on? Afterall it's people like you, I and others that enable the telco's to offer the services they do and at the prices we get charged, we should, and do deserve better.

And I also think that my problems relate to everyone who makes use of their 3G, and other services too. They should put a notice up on their website or on this forum (as they have done in the past) with information regarding the network - although I suppose if you use 3G as your only means to access the internet, that would pretty much be useless - perhaps that's why they prefer you call in, and get the recorded message instead?

Again, I have no doubts that they will get the problem sorted/fixed, and that V3G will revert back to the forum with an update. Unfortunately the question is for how long will it all be stable for, before everything "falls over" again? These problems are fast becoming the norm, rather than the exception, and it should be the other way round...
 
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ic said:
fingers121, please don't misunderstand me, I know exactly what you are saying, and I am not asking you to stop complaining about how bad 3G has been for you - I am commenting on the suggestion that v3g is no longer participating in this forum - there is no evidence of that - the dude has just been busier than usual, give him a chance to respond to posts before assuming the principal gave him 6 of the best for being here...

OK, but the sudden lack of information from him during this particular problem makes the mind wonder a little, and we all know who Vodacom's daddy is... That's all I'm saying...

Granted V3G is a busy person, and his primary responsibilty is not to monitor these forums and respond - but in the past V3G has been very good at this, and now, nothing?

Maybe I watch too many movies?
 
ic said:
LOL vingers, don't worry v3g hasn't abandoned us - for all we know he could be on a business trip - flying to the other side of the world with air hostesses actively preventing him from trying to use a 3G data card to get to the forum...:D

If we haven't heard from v3g by tomorrow morning sometime, I will start phoning the hospitals etc...

LOL, I work in hospitals, I'll save you the calls...

Plus I don't that it's the airhostesses fault, he too is being let down by the very network he works for?

I'm sure he'll be back though too :)
 
My, you guys are a suspicious lot! :D

I've been 'quiet' for a while mostly due to other commitments and not at all for not caring about the forum or being 'cut down by the old guard'. I'll rather be called in for NOT responding than posting too much info...

ic and rpm, who've met the senior management team at Vodacom, will know how passionate they are about the forum and customer feedback in general.

But it's nice to be missed! :D

A lot of valid comments have been made by everyone in this thread. Let me try and answer/comment on some of them:

1) Vodacom insists on open communication with its subscriber base and especially this forum. It's your service and you have the right to know what's happening. Only by being open can a trust relationship be built.

2) You pay for, and therefore are entitled to, a professional service. As mentioned Vodacom must be committed (and is, trust me) to providing as best possible service within the technology constraints.

3) The network is in a massive growth phase and is not in a static state for even hours. This is any production environment's nightmare; delivering a stable service while, at the same time upgrading all the components on a continuous basis.

On the one hand people are screaming for more coverage and, on the other, we see calls for stabilising the current system. A balancing act of note.....

4) As mentioned below by Harley79, a lot of this technology is rolling out at these capacity levels for the first time (in the world) and this sometimes causes hiccups not anticipated. The engineers tweak the system on a daily basis based on the new stats as they come in but are often faced with new scenarios. In comparison, the 2G network is a well known animal.

5) On top of this we are learning about new concepts not previously known about in 2G comms, for example the IDLE-mode issue that can so often cause apparent DNS failures.

6) Having said that, we've had continuous stability problems with some back-end systems. (I won't mention the dreaded SMTP word...). Although these problems are also caused by loading and reconfiguration issues, it's not nearly as complex as sorting the RF side and should not happen.

7) Vodacom's policy to cancelling contracts is that the service must be fixed. Only if you can't fix what you've sold, should you consider a cancellation. No company is going to give away business but sometimes it's better to cancel a contract if the sub requests it and there is no way to deliver the server sold. The most common example is a subscriber being sold a contract when there is no coverage in his primary location.

A number of forumites (Harley79, biometrics, fingers121 amongst them) have been very involved and can vouch for this process, i.e. Vodacom will try and resolve the problem, whatever it takes to make the service work.

Sometimes it takes a long time and can be frustrating for both parties, but the important thing is that is gets sorted. Both you and us would rather see the service working.

So what went wrong recently:

a) A few weeks ago we had that major failure that rendered the service unusable for 2 days. As Harley79 mentioned it turned out to be an in-line security device (put there for your protection, nogal!) that decided to do such a good job that it started filtering data packets at random.

b) Over the last two weeks the IP pool started filling up and this caused spurious disconnects or you could not connect at all.

c) Over the weekend a new backend system, installed to increase above capacity, failed and resulted in a pretty miserable weekend for many.

d) On Tuesday another service affecting failure happened, with the complete data accelerator cluster (all 10!) freezing up.

e) Yesterday (Wednesday) there was a failure on the SMTP server. A new smtp cluster is going active today.

In addition to the above, there will always be general capacity issues but these should be addressed as part of the normal ongoing operations. Someone once told me: "Network Management is the continuous management of a revolving set of bottlenecks." This is very true but should never affect more than a subset of the network for as short a time as possible.
 
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v3g, thanks for the reply so early in the morning.

my main problem is that I have become so reliant on 3G, that when it doesnt work, it really affects my performance :D Unfortunatelly I do not have a Telkom line at home (because, funny enough, they could not provide one) and so I have no alternative but 3G or other wireless solutions. That said, when it is fully functional, its great! :p
 
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Thanks v3g. (lucky to have not been affected badly by the above)

I did not even know that had been so many problems. I have only had to used my dialup (backup) three times in the past 9 months.
 
Thanks V3G for that. I must repeat what I said previously that it is vital to understand 3G is not an 'only option' for Internet communication, simply because it will, at least for a couple of months or more, have stability issues.

I have burnt myself horrible on this issue, having relied completely on 3G/GPRS as my form of Internet access, running my own bussiness from home where data and time is critical. When I just think of phoning 155 my heart just sinks and a feeling of hopelessness and frustration appears, how do I explain to those idiots that I want to speak to senior support and I am way past there technical expertise.

I was just thinking the other day how for every packet or request that gets lost I am paying for, and that for the profit of a company that through their faulty equipment is profiting even more. It will almost always be a win - loose situation. I normally get up to 10% packet loss any given day.

Anyway the good news for me is that Telkom (who I despise) has finally come to our aid by introducing ADSL in our area, they are currently busy at the exchange. Apparently they were the most loved company in SA.... well at least last year.

The best solution for now, for those who have given up on Vodacom, try your utmost best to get out of the contract by making a case, and you may have a good one, failing that downgrade to the 500 Meg option, and fight again to not pay the downgrade fee (R800), as this was offered free a short time ago.

There is a general trend in this forum, and that of dispare and then hope and then again dispare, frustration etc. etc.

My personal opinion, I have given Vodacom leaverage as I will any other company, but there comes a time when bad service and my hard-earned cash collide. And until the government does some serious changes to the industry, we will always have to grin and bear it (Welcome to South Africa boys!).

Rusty
 
Thanks V3G, good to hear that you are still in one piece, and haven't been "cut down" by anyone....
Must agree with Harley79, when you start becoming reliant on a service, and it keeps going down, does make it rather frustrating, and then of course, a very unusal lack of information/communication from yourself during the whole process... well again, maybe I watch too many movies?

Let's hope that everything now remains stable - so far so good - just not at home, but that's another issue all together, and something that I believe will be resolved in the near future?
 
Network reliability measures and remedies

Question for V3G:

Does Vodacom have a documented % uptime benchmark / hurdle for this service? If so, what is it and what is the remedy if Vodacom falls below this hurdle?

IT contracts that my company has with its suppliers all have minimum % uptime / system availability measures with penalties should these uptimes not be achieved in a month. Typical numbers for most services in the industry would be 99% or higher. Much of our network is specified to have 99.5% uptime.

I expect something similar from Vodacom. Maybe Vodacom is only prepared to commit to 95% (I would hope not!) but either way, disclose the performance objective. I also expect that if in a given month, Vodacom does not hit it's published uptime benchmark that all users are not charged at all for that month. You cannot pay for a service that was not delivered!

If Vodacom repeatedly cannot achieve its published performance objectives, then it needs to give all customers the option to cancel their contracts at no cost to the customer. Non-performance of the contract from Vodacom's side.

If Vodacom is not prepared to make these commitments and disclosures to its customers, please have the courtesy of letting your loyal customers know. Current and potential new customers can then decide how they whether they would like to have a relationship with a company that takes your money but is not prepared to commit to meeting minimum performance objectives.

Just think what the uproar would be on the 2G network if cell call reliability was as bad as 3G data services. Vodacom would not even dare to charge customers for the month for voice contracts if there were several days in a month when you could not make calls reliably. And Vodacom would definitely carry bundled minutes over on voice should this happen.

Vodacom need to think carefully how to react at a time like this. There are numerous international examples of companies that handled product recalls or problems well and those that handled them incredibly badly and did major damage to their brand as a result. And most of these examples relate to a time before the Internet and other communication channels facilitated rapid spreading of bad news!

Looking forward to a reply from Vodacom.
 
Some good suggestions, thanks.

I'll find out what can be published, but I know even with the recent problems the availability is way above 95%. As a matter of interest, every Vodacom employee has a uptime target, and trust me, they suffer where it hurts most if these targets aren't met.
 
I just want somebody to get back to me. As promised. Is that too much to ask? After we find out what the usage problem is I can start using V3G again and see if it still doesn't do what it says on the box...
 
Vodacom3g, thanks, I got your mail on the 30th. You escalated it. I still haven't heard anything though. It's the 4th. Maybe because it's a new month they think the problem will go away.

BTW. I see the Vodacom helpdesk is rated lower than Telkom and Sentech!!!! Awesome!
 
I know the guys have been looking at your billing records but there's no excuse for not getting back to you to at least tell you something. I just turned the wick up, let see what happens.... :rolleyes:
 
Eish! The guys got back to me. Came to my house. Can't find any reason why the usage would've been so high. Installed DU meter and have been keeping in touch.

Now since yesterday if I go onto the Vodacom site to check my usage it shows I'm on a weekender package and have 120 mins remaining. (I'm on 1 Gig 3G).

Now will somebody believe me that there is something VERY WRONG????
 
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