Drunk Drivers

What rubbish. If you have a driver's license you should be fully aware that driving under the influence is illegal and can end up very badly. A licensed driver gets behind the wheel in this condition knowing full well the weight of the consequence.
 
Nick333 said:
Well, I won't bother questioning those stats but really I pretty much guarantee that the vast majority of people with a drivers license has driven over the legal limit at least once. Lock up everyone for attempted murder. Bunch of zero-willpower low lives that they are.
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I certainly applaud the initiative. Sometimes people have to learn the hard way. Pity, not everyone is capable of learning from the mistakes of others.

Fudzy said:
What rubbish. If you have a driver's license you should be fully aware that driving under the influence is illegal and can end up very badly. A licensed driver gets behind the wheel in this condition knowing full well the weight of the consequence.
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Exactly. The day you get that licence you accept the consequences of your actions.
 
Where are those stats from, Lycan?

At 0.04, I reckon you'd hardly feel an effect .... Let alone be 1.4x more likely to have an accident.
 
That calculator puts it at closer to 0.03 ... But there are too many factors involved to work out.

http://www.brad21.org/effects_at_specific_bac.html

You can get anything if you look. From 2 beers an having fatal explosive accidents ... To needing more alcohol to get the BAC .... To having no effect at 0.03?
 
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Dolby said:
That calculator puts it at closer to 0.03 ... But there are too many factors involved to work out.

http://www.brad21.org/effects_at_specific_bac.html

You can get anything if you look. From 2 beers an having fatal explosive accidents ... To needing more alcohol to get the BAC .... To having no effect at 0.03?
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Lol, agreed on the calculator. If I use my weight I should be okay to drive after 2 beers, I wouldn't let my wife though.
 
Too much Ally McBeal in this thread. In SA there's only murder, no "culpable homicide", "manslaughter" etc etc. It's all called murder if someone dies as a direct result of your involvement. The only part where the details to the murder (i.e. accidental? avoidable? premeditated? etc.) play a role is in how long your sentence will be and how it will be served.

As for the limit, you'll only know what the limit feels like after having used a breathalyser and seen the results. I was personally shocked when after having 5 beers in the space of 2 hours I only managed to blow 0.04. For others it will be a glass of wine and they're above.

If you don't know if you're sober enough to drive, you probably aren't.
 
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Wow... so many legal experts claiming to know the law off by heart, yet a guy (Humpreys) was indeed charged and convicted of murder for driving over a railway line. Which means... dum dum dish... that it is possible. And it is happening with drunk drivers as well.

The main problem here, is corruption, if you've ever been pulled over in JHB at night you'll know what I mean. And those cops, should be charged with murder as well.
 
UnUnOctium said:
Too much Ally McBeal in this thread. In SA there's only murder, no "culpable homicide", "manslaughter" etc etc. It's all called murder if someone dies as a direct result of your involvement. The only part where the details to the murder (i.e. accidental? avoidable? premeditated? etc.) play a role is in how long your sentence will be and how it will be served.
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That is also not right, I know this because of something that happened to a friend. If you kill someone (for instance in a road accident) a case of culpable homicide is opened against you, no matter what the circumstances were. Most of the time, the case would then be dropped after an investigation showing that it was an accident, or you acted in self-defense or whatever. If however you were negligent, drunk, reckless etc, the culpable homicide charge may be pursued and even upped to murder or manslaughter (yes we do have manslaughter as well, voluntary and involuntary).

I don't know what they use to charge drunk drivers with murder instead of manslaughter (possibly the fact that they could foresee the consequences and still went on with it), but they can definitely charge them with murder, as it is happening.

Which brings us back the 1st golden rule of the universe:

If it happens, it's possible.
 
Dolby said:
Where are those stats from, Lycan?

At 0.04, I reckon you'd hardly feel an effect .... Let alone be 1.4x more likely to have an accident.
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See this is the thing - your judgement is impaired INCLUDING your judgment of the effect it has on you.
 
Sinbad said:
See this is the thing - your judgement is impaired INCLUDING your judgment of the effect it has on you.
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Not at 0.04 for the majority of people - that's very little.

The rest I can agree with

EDIT : What point is drunk? In a country with a zero limit - are you drunk because the half a beer or mouth wash was picked up? Over the limit and illegal - but drunk? Or are they interchangable terms?
 
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