DSG or Manual gearbox?

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Similar but not the same....

"The DSG was developed by BorgWarner (same company that makes the Haldex and VAQ diffs), the PDK was developed by Porsche decades before the DSG came out. Currently the PDK is made by ZF Friedrichshafen, it shares zeros parts with the BorgWarner unit.

The setups are similar now though; they both use twin shaft, twin clutch, wet clutch systems."

"They share quite a few similarities. Obviously, both are dual, wet clutch gearboxes and both use the same inner/outer input shaft idea. The input shaft has a solid inner and hollow outer portion, which creates the inner and output input shafts. Each shaft controls the corresponding gears, so for example when you have 1st gear engaged via the inner shaft, it already has 2nd gear engaged via the outer shaft, anticipating (in the calibration) which gear should be demanded for use next. When it's time to switch gears, it's just a matter of disengaging K1 (inner input shaft clutch plates) clutches and engaging the K2 (outer input shaft clutch plates). The moment you engage 2nd, the TCU is preparing for the next move and, depending on the software calibration and your many inputs as a driver, it will prepare the next logical gear that will be needed to continue with smooth fluent operation."

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/mobiq..._url=http://www.golfmk7.com/forums&lang=en-US
 
If traffic wasn't a problem I'd be fine with a manual box, but stuff that idea in sandton
 
Posted 01-07-2009 08:04 AM
ToxicBunny said:
From What I can see the base price on the Golf 5 GTI was R271000 and the new Golf 6 GTI is R317000....

Bit of a jump if you ask me... esp since the Golf 6 is supposed to be CHEAPER to manufacture.
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Eish, those were the days, how cheap that would be for a GTI now :/
 
Sigh...indeed.

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That's why it's good to bump up these old threads once in a while
 
FiestaST said:
Similar but not the same....

"The DSG was developed by BorgWarner (same company that makes the Haldex and VAQ diffs), the PDK was developed by Porsche decades before the DSG came out. Currently the PDK is made by ZF Friedrichshafen, it shares zeros parts with the BorgWarner unit.

The setups are similar now though; they both use twin shaft, twin clutch, wet clutch systems."

"They share quite a few similarities. Obviously, both are dual, wet clutch gearboxes and both use the same inner/outer input shaft idea. The input shaft has a solid inner and hollow outer portion, which creates the inner and output input shafts. Each shaft controls the corresponding gears, so for example when you have 1st gear engaged via the inner shaft, it already has 2nd gear engaged via the outer shaft, anticipating (in the calibration) which gear should be demanded for use next. When it's time to switch gears, it's just a matter of disengaging K1 (inner input shaft clutch plates) clutches and engaging the K2 (outer input shaft clutch plates). The moment you engage 2nd, the TCU is preparing for the next move and, depending on the software calibration and your many inputs as a driver, it will prepare the next logical gear that will be needed to continue with smooth fluent operation."

http://www.golfmk7.com/forums/mobiq..._url=http://www.golfmk7.com/forums&lang=en-US
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The PDK of old though was just a name and not the same thing though right?

Porsche has just always called their automatic system PDK and it only became Dual Clutch a few years ago?

Not that I claim to know their stuff very well, these are more questions than anything based loosely on my memory.

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Oh I see you were just exaggerating with "decades" before DSG and in doing so somewhat wrong.

It was first used in 2009 and the acronym literally means Porsche Double Clutch on German.

So DSG was still first. :)
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Last I checked PDK is rebranded DSG isn't it?
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PDK = Porsche, DSG = VW/Audi, DCT = BMW

I was mostly taking the piss by stating PDK > DSG because it means you're driving a Porsche and not a VW ;)

(for bonus points I also then stated BMW > VW by saying DCT > DSG)
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
PDK = Porsche, DSG = VW/Audi, DCT = BMW

I was mostly taking the piss by stating PDK > DSG because it means you're driving a Porsche and not a VW ;)

(for bonus points I also then stated BMW > VW by saying DCT > DSG)
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DSG = Bugatti > Porsche.

:)
 
SauRoNZA said:
DSG = Bugatti > Porsche.

:)
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Nah, I love the pure engineering statement they made with Bugatti, but if I had infinite money I'd still by a Porsche first if I want something to thrash around a racetrack and not just on the drag strip.

I've only driven 3 cars with automated manual transmissions though and I use that term as opposed to dual clutch because the earlier generation was still single clutch (V8 generation of the Audi R8 and E-gear version of Lamborghini Gallardo), all I can say without a doubt in the world is the dual clutch system in the Nissan GT-R is next level, it changes gears like a damn Playstation game ...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Maybe, but it's schit as an everyday drive where you do 90% off your driving. I can only imagine that someone who just started driving would say something like this...
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DSG may be good, and the ZF 8 speed is a great transmission. But compared to any other auto box I would be happy to suffer in traffic with a manual 90% of the time just to enjoy the 10% of enjoyable manual gearbox driving.
 
Kerrits said:
DSG may be good, and the ZF 8 speed is a great transmission. But compared to any other auto box I would be happy to suffer in traffic with a manual 90% of the time just to enjoy the 10% of enjoyable manual gearbox driving.
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I'd rather have a manual for the weekend and enjoy it 100% of the time, with an automatic to get me through the week, which is my current plan in the coming months...
 
VW’s 10-speed dual-clutch transmission is dead…

The head of Volkswagen’s powertrain development unit has confirmed that he has pulled the plug on the German automaker’s 10-speed dual-clutch transmission project.

VW’s powertrain boss Friedrich Eichler told Automotive News that the transmission – which was first mentioned by Volkswagen officials in public as long ago as 2013 – had been shelved.

“Two months ago, I had the prototype crushed,” Eichler said, according to the US publication.

The 10-speed DSG, which back in 2013 was rumoured to be on track for a launch by 2016, was expected to be able to handle more than 500 N.m.

But Eichler told Automotive News that the project embodied the Wolfsburg brand’s “bigger is better” engineering approach of the past. That said, the powertrain chief confirmed to the publication that he had “saved all the data”.

http://www.carmag.co.za/news_post/vws-10-speed-dual-clutch-transmission-is-dead/
 
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